I do not care what the wt says. I got it printed out in front of me and it clearly is talking about the Father. From vs 12-14 it is what the Father did and that is very clear that he has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of his love in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins. The Father conveyed us out of the darkness into the kingdom of the Son of his love in whom we have redemption through his blood and the forgiveness of sins. It is talking about what the Father did there. Listen closely and the Father conveyed us out of the darkness into the kingdom of the Son of his love in whom we have redemption and the forgiveness of sins through his "Sons" blood. NKJV
Did Jesus create the angels?
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I see you are an "inactive Jehovah's Witness"
Even C.T. Russell said Michael is not Christ.
And that is just your Twisted Opinion ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) of those AS IS scriptures that I Posted! Now lets get back to the Son ( Jesus Christ )! Do you believe that His ( the Sons ) pre-existence as the WORD in John 1:1 " was God " as most versions of the Bible say, " was a god " as your NWT of...
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Says you.
Both passages below written by Paul are in reference to the Lord Jesus.
In Ephesians 1:7 it is added "through his blood" (in reference to Jesus).
Ephesians 1:7
in him we have redemption (ESV)
ἐν ᾧ ἔχομεν τὴν ἀπολύτρωσιν
Colossians 1:14
in whom we have redemption (ESV)
ἐν ᾧ ἔχομεν τὴν ἀπολύτρωσιν
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I am an inactive jw. And I bet you are misquoting the wt by only printing that out? I bet they acknowledge that it was through the Father that what was done in vss 12-14 was because of the Father? If it was not for the Father the Son's blood would not have been shed correct?
You can go to the link I cited.
You said Colossians 1:14 "does not" refer to Jesus (post 559). You are in error.
Plus, both passages listed in my previous post were written by Paul in reference to Jesus.
Forget the links for now and let us use our brains. It refers to what the Father did and now that you are losing you want to go to a link to support your view. Plus like I just said I bet they acknowledge it was through the Father that the Son's blood was shed if the whole link was printed out and not just the part of the link you want someone to see correct?
I just went to the link and you printed it out so it said what you wanted it to say. Here is what the link says that our salvation comes from Jehovah and it is administered through Jesus. Listen closely it is all done by God and it is administered through the Son he sent.
Your link backfired on you big time.
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The boldface above is mine.
I already pointed out in post 564 that in your post 559 you wrote it "does not" refer to Jesus.
Use your brain and get a clue.
That is what you say. I proved with your own link that it is done by God and it is administered through the Son he sent. I used my brain and am saying what it says and not what I want it to say. I notice you are not talking about your link because it says the opposite of what you thought it said.
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Chuckle!!! And I'll bet you typed that with a straight face too.
See you underline only what you want so it says what you want it to say. You should have underlined from where it says our salvation comes from Jehovah and is administered through Jesus. Tell me who was the cause of all this happening?
Which contradicts your claim in post 559 that it "does not" refer to Jesus.
Did Jesus create the angels?
No I do NOT have to prove that! You originally stated that the WORD had His beginning of Existence in John 1:1! FYI, God has no beginning and the WORD is identified as God in John 1:1! Thus He does in FACT EXIST eternally forever with no beginning! Case closed! And I will stick with my...
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Thanks for refuting yourself.
THe one has a good point that it is not claimed that God was the Word.
It refers to the Father because our salvation comes from the Father and it is administered through the Son. Like I explained you did not underline it all and only underlined what you wanted it to say.
How come you do that and only make it say what you want? It says our salvation comes from Jehovah and it is administered through Jesus. Who is the cause of all this and who does he do it through?
See post 572.
I know what the post says. But you are ignoring common sense and the evidence you provided and it says it comes from the Father and is administered through the Son. The subject is the Father and then who he does things through.
I am not the one who denied and then affirmed Colossians 1:14 refers to Jesus.
I confirmed what it says and you do not want to admit to what it says.