Did Jesus create the angels?

rod.ney

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And I will stick with my statement that the Word had his beginning at John 1 in the beginning and since he had his beginning in the beginning and it says the Word was God in the beginning, then the Word could have only have been God in the beginning. You have to prove the Word was before the beginning as the Word or Jesus or the Son of God clearly.

No you ignore the evidence and the evidence says Jesus created nothing and I have proven that many times and then you all act as if it was not explained. The him at John 1:4 can not be Jesus because the life in the him was Jesus and that leaves only one left who can be the him "the creator" and that is the Father, then at col. 1: 12-14 the subject is the Father and at vs 15 it says he is an image of the invisible God or the Father. The subject stays the Father and he is an image of the Father or the subject. Also look up the word "of" in the dictionary and the subject is always to the right of the word "of".
Then why does the Father call His Son ( Jesus Christ ) " O God " in Hebrews 1:8, just after all His created angels WORSHIPED Him in verse 6?!!! Correct answer because He ( Pre-Carnate Jesus Christ ) " was God " the Word of John 1:1, who created all thing in John 1:3/Col.1:16 before He became " Flesh " ( incarnate as Jesus Christ the God-Man ) in John 1:14! Case closed!
 

Nathan P

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Then why does the Father call His Son ( Jesus Christ ) " O God " in Hebrews 1:8, just after all His created angels WORSHIPED Him in verse 6?!!! Correct answer because He ( Pre-Carnate Jesus Christ ) " was God " the Word of John 1:1, who created all thing in John 1:3/Col.1:16 before He became " Flesh " ( incarnate as Jesus Christ the God-Man ) in John 1:14! Case closed!
How many times does it have to be explained to you since the life in the him was Jesus, then the him who is the creator could not have been Jesus too and that leaves only the Father who is the him and is the creator?
Otherwise prove how the life in the him was Jesus and the him was Jesus too?
 

Nathan P

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I am not the one who denied and then affirmed Colossians 1:14 refers to Jesus.
No vs 14 does not refer to Jesus because starting at vs 12 we give thanks to the Father because he delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of his love in whom we have redemption through his blood and the forgiveness of sins. It is talking about what the Father did. If it was not for the Father there never would have been a Son whose blood would be shed on our behalf correct?
 

Nathan P

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Don't need to because you already denied and then confirmed Colossians 1:14 refers to Jesus.
You will not at least admit to looking up the definition of whom because the definition says the whom is the object and the other one is the subject. Col. 1:14 refers to the Father and there is no doubt about that.
 

Nathan P

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No need to when you already contradicted yourself.
Just admit defeat because you know there is no logical definition that will say the whom is the subject. Again the Father is the subject at col. 1:14 and then at 1:15 and that means the by him, through him and the for him is referring to the Father and not Jesus.
 

Nathan P

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you contradicted yourself.
No I did not and you know you have no defense that you can not claim with documented evidence that the whom (Jesus) at col. 1:14 refers to Jesus as the subject. Instead using documented evidence you would have to admit the subject there is the Father .
 

rod.ney

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How many times does it have to be explained to you since the life in the him was Jesus, then the him who is the creator could not have been Jesus too and that leaves only the Father who is the him and is the creator?
Otherwise prove how the life in the him was Jesus and the him was Jesus too?
FYI God the Word of John 1:1 is the Creator as per John 1:3/Col.1:16 and Yes indeed God the Word of John 1:1 BECAME Flesh as Jesus Christ in John 1:14! So case closed!
 
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