Did Jesus create the angels?

Nathan P

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FYI, John 1:3 does NOT say that! Thus Col.1:16 does NOT mean that He did not create Heaven & earth! Case closed!
How many times do I have to explain that the him who is the creator at John 1:4 is the Father because it goes on to say there was life in him and the life is Jesus and thus the him can not be Jesus too? That leaves only the Father who could be the him. And Col. 1:16 means exactly what it means he created everything in heaven and on earth and not the heaven and the earth.
 

rod.ney

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How many times do I have to explain that the him who is the creator at John 1:4 is the Father because it goes on to say there was life in him and the life is Jesus and thus the him can not be Jesus too? That leaves only the Father who could be the him. And Col. 1:16 means exactly what it means he created everything in heaven and on earth and not the heaven and the earth.
FYI, you forgot that Jesus is BOTH God and Man, as per John 1:1+14 & Heb. 1:6+8! So yes indeed the Him who is the creator is God the Word ( Pre-carnate Jesus Christ ) as per John 1:3/ Col.1:16! So yes the life is Jesus ( God the Word of John 1:1, the creator in John 1:3, who became " Flesh " in John 1:14! Both Him's refers to the God-Man! Case closed!
 

Nathan P

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FYI, you forgot that Jesus is BOTH God and Man, as per John 1:1+14 & Heb. 1:6+8! So yes indeed the Him who is the creator is God the Word ( Pre-carnate Jesus Christ ) as per John 1:3/ Col.1:16! So yes the life is Jesus ( God the Word of John 1:1, the creator in John 1:3, who became " Flesh " in John 1:14! Both Him's refers to the God-Man! Case closed!
No because there was no documented Jesus until the Word became flesh and to be right you have to document where it says the Word was the Pre-carnate Jesus and not have us believe you all because you say so? You admit the life was Jesus correct? Then explain how the him the life was in is Jesus too?
 

rod.ney

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No because there was no documented Jesus until the Word became flesh and to be right you have to document where it says the Word was the Pre-carnate Jesus and not have us believe you all because you say so? You admit the life was Jesus correct? Then explain how the him the life was in is Jesus too?
FYI again His name is both the WORD & Jesus because Jesus STILL has that former name " the WORD " of John 1:1 in Rev.19:13 ( when He makes His still future Post-Trib. return to planet earth to REIGN for 1000 years!
 

Nathan P

Active member
FYI again His name is both the WORD & Jesus because Jesus STILL has that former name " the WORD " of John 1:1 in Rev.19:13 ( when He makes His still future Post-Trib. return to planet earth to REIGN for 1000 years!
You are still not supplying proof where his name was Jesus before the Word became flesh and are just saying he also had the name Jesus?
 
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