Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?

johnny guitar

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Jesus didn't tell them he was the Christ either. Even when people asked him if he was, he would not declare that he was. He also told us why but nobody is listening to him.

And,

20 Then he sternly instructed the disciples not to tell anybody that he was the Christ.

But we are expected to believe he went about declaring to the Jews that he was their God.

Stunningly absurd proposition.
They tried to kill Him on the spot for claiming to be THE Son of God, for saying God was His OWN Father.
 

johnny guitar

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No that wasn't the subject. The subject was whether God is your own Father.

True believers born of God would never deny that He is their own Father as you have.
True believers would admit God is their Father BY ADOPTION, NOT a literally begetting.
Jesus Christ, however, called God His OWN Father, by a LITERAL BEGETTING.
And the subject was WHY the Jews tried to kill Jesus on the spot for that claim.
You have EVADED answering that subject.
 

Our Lord's God

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True believers would admit God is their Father BY ADOPTION, NOT a literally begetting.
Jesus Christ, however, called God His OWN Father, by a LITERAL BEGETTING.
And the subject was WHY the Jews tried to kill Jesus on the spot for that claim.
You have EVADED answering that subject.

True believers not only never deny God is their own Father, as you do, they would also never deny, as you do, that they are begotten of God just as the Scriptures testify.

But you didn't even need to tell us that you are not born of God. A tree is known by its fruit.
 

johnny guitar

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True believers not only never deny God is their own Father, as you do, they would also never deny, as you do, that they are begotten of God just as the Scriptures testify.

But you didn't even need to tell us that you are not born of God. A tree is known by its fruit.
Spiritual begetting is NOT a LITERAL begetting.
Jesus was NOT born of God; He is THE ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, which you AIN'T.
 

Our Lord's God

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Spiritual begetting is NOT a LITERAL begetting.

Being born/begotten of God is indeed a literal thing. You wouldn't know because you deny that you are.

Jesus was NOT born of God;

Your Bible says he is, the firstborn of many brothers.

But we know you don't care what the Bible actually says.

He is THE ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, which you AIN'T.

No he isn't.

But he was.

Every firstborn was an only begotten for a time.
 

Lilel01

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(...) Every firstborn was an only begotten for a time.
Read yourself. What you say makes no sense at all.

"Firstborn" is only one. If that son has brothers, none of them share that tittle with him and none of them may have come into being before his own existence:

John 8:57 Therefore the Jews said to him: “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

Jesus did not come into existence after the rest of the sons of God who existed in heaven when the earth was being prepared for human life (Job 38:4,7).

Jesus was the first creation of Jehovah (Rev. 3:14). He is the Heir of God and was the means by which Jehovah created everything else (Col. 1:15-17). Scripture clearly states that Jesus was at Jehovah's side when he was creating the rest of the Universe (Heb. 1:2). The Bible says also that he "emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human ... as a man" (Phil. 2:7,8) ...

No one can annul what Scripture says to defend an idea that is obviously contradictory to what it says. Either the Scripture is taken seriously, or we will be carried like waves by the wind of any strange doctrine.

John 10:35 (...) and yet the scripture cannot be nullified

Eph. 4:14 in order that we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error.
 
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Our Lord's God

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Read yourself.What you say makes no sense at all.

What I said is common knowledge. Every firstborn was an only begotten for a time.

"Firstborn" is only one. If that son has brothers, none of them share that tittle with him and none of them may have come into being before his own existence:

If a firstborn has brothers, he isn't an only begotten anymore. But that doesn't mean he never was. Why don't you know this?

Jesus was an only begotten son.
Now, Jesus is the firstborn among many brothers.

John 8:57 Therefore the Jews said to him: “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

Jesus did not come into existence after the rest of the sons of God who existed in heaven when the earth was being prepared for human life (Job 38:4,7).

Jesus was the first creation of Jehovah (Rev. 3:14). He is the Heir of God and was the means by which Jehovah created everything else (Col. 1:15-17). Scripture clearly states that Jesus was at Jehovah's side when he was creating the rest of the Universe (Heb. 1:2). The Bible say also that "emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human ... as a man" (Phil. 2:7,8) ...

No one can annul what Scripture says to defend an idea that is obviously contradictory to what it says. Either the Scripture is taken seriously, or we will be carried like waves by the wind of any strange doctrine.

John 10:35 (...) and yet the scripture cannot be nullified

Eph. 4:14 in order that we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error.
 

shnarkle

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If Jesus himself has a God, even in heaven now (Apoc. 3:12) , and when he was among humans he had told his apostles that his own God is also their God (John 20:17) ... why not obey Jesus and get to know that God whom he taught about?

The only way to get to know God is through Christ, and even then one can never actually know God, but as Paul points out one can only be known of God. Gal. 4:9
Luk. 6:46 “Why, then, do you call me ‘Lord! Lord!’ but do not do the things I say?
Because no one can follow Christ until they have walked away from their life and all their worldly possessions. Luke 14:26-33; Acts 2:44
 

johnny guitar

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Being born/begotten of God is indeed a literal thing. You wouldn't know because you deny that you are.



Your Bible says he is, the firstborn of many brothers.

But we know you don't care what the Bible actually says.



No he isn't.

But he was.

Every firstborn was an only begotten for a time.
NOT a literal thing; a spiritual thing, i.e. being born AGAIN as Jesus said in John 3.
Firstborn of many brothers, NOT born of God.
Jesus is The ONE and ONLY begotten Son of God. John 3:16 is as true today as when John wrote it.
Jesus was The Son of God at conception. ALL other men have to BECOME sons of God by a SPIRITUAL regeneration, something Jesus NEVER had to become.
 

johnny guitar

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Read yourself. What you say makes no sense at all.

"Firstborn" is only one. If that son has brothers, none of them share that tittle with him and none of them may have come into being before his own existence:

John 8:57 Therefore the Jews said to him: “You are not yet fifty years old, and still you have seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them: “Most truly I say to YOU, Before Abraham came into existence, I have been.”

Jesus did not come into existence after the rest of the sons of God who existed in heaven when the earth was being prepared for human life (Job 38:4,7).

Jesus was the first creation of Jehovah (Rev. 3:14). He is the Heir of God and was the means by which Jehovah created everything else (Col. 1:15-17). Scripture clearly states that Jesus was at Jehovah's side when he was creating the rest of the Universe (Heb. 1:2). The Bible says also that he "emptied himself and took a slave’s form and became human ... as a man" (Phil. 2:7,8) ...

No one can annul what Scripture says to defend an idea that is obviously contradictory to what it says. Either the Scripture is taken seriously, or we will be carried like waves by the wind of any strange doctrine.

John 10:35 (...) and yet the scripture cannot be nullified

Eph. 4:14 in order that we should no longer be babes, tossed about as by waves and carried hither and thither by every wind of teaching by means of the trickery of men, by means of cunning in contriving error.
Jesus Christ was a creation of NO ONE. He is The CREATOR.
 

101G

Member
Jesus Christ was a creation of NO ONE. He is The CREATOR.
JG, you're almost correct.... understand, Jesus is the Creator, but not the CHRIST..... ok. Jesus is and Ordinals of the ECHAD of God. christ, (flesh and blood), the son of God was not at Genesis 1:1 or at Genesis 1:26, when Jesus the Ordinal First, (the Spirit), made Man male and female.

PICJAG,
101G
 

johnny guitar

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JG, you're almost correct.... understand, Jesus is the Creator, but not the CHRIST..... ok. Jesus is and Ordinals of the ECHAD of God. christ, (flesh and blood), the son of God was not at Genesis 1:1 or at Genesis 1:26, when Jesus the Ordinal First, (the Spirit), made Man male and female.

PICJAG,
101G
Jibberish.
 
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