Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?

johnny guitar

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Sure. Nothing said about God the Son. In fact, nothing at all in the NT.

BTW, please tell me how a virgin gives birth with her hymen intact? If the sign is a virgin, that sign ain't there.
That Son is God WITH US.
Jesus was CONCEIVED of a virgin.
Whether her hymen was left intact or not is irrelevant.
 

Jewjitzu

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That Son is God WITH US.
No, the overall salvation of Judah was the sign that God was with them. Jesus was never called Immanuel. The context of Isaiah 7 doesn't even pertain to Jesus.

Again, zero mention of God the Son in either the Tanakh or NT.

Jesus was CONCEIVED of a virgin.
No, he wasn't. The term used in the NT of overshadowed doesn't even mean conceive nor pregnant.

Besides, Joseph’s righteousness in fulfilling the law for Jesus in the commandments of circumcision, redemption, and consecration, show that he was the real father, since God Himself didn't do this for Jesus. The offerings brought by Mary, Luke 2:21-24, Leviticus 12:1-8, show she conceived, Lev 12:2 tazria, from zera, seed, of a man.

Whether her hymen was left intact or not is irrelevant.
No, it's to the point. A woman would have her hymen torn during birth, so your reading and understanding of the verse is impossible.

A sign of a pregnant virgin is no different than that of a regular pregnant woman. You can't tell them apart. A pregnant young woman would satisfy the verse.
 

Lilel01

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Another case closer? Or the same with another nick?

Is. 9:6 DOES NOT say that Jesus "is called Mighty God". It says he "will be called Mighty God". Do you see the diference? Probably not ... you are too busy closing cases to discern the truth in what the Bible says.
 

Nathan P

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The Word in John 1:1 ("In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God), identifies the pre-existent Jesus as

The Word in John 1:1 ("In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God), identifies the pre-existent Jesus as the Word.
No it does not identify the Word as the pre- existent Jesus. Document where it says there was one named Jesus before the Word became flesh like it has been requested of you many times?
 

Nathan P

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Another case closer? Or the same with another nick?

Is. 9:6 DOES NOT say that Jesus "is called Mighty God". It says he "will be called Mighty God". Do you see the diference? Probably not ... you are too busy closing cases to discern the truth in what the Bible says.
The point you just brought up is he will be called Mighty God and it does not say he is the Mighty God.
 

Tanachreader

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No it does not identify the Word as the pre- existent Jesus. Document where it says there was one named Jesus before the Word became flesh like it has been requested of you many times?
His name wasn’t Jesus until He became a man.
Isaiah and Abraham called Him LORD.
 

Tanachreader

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Really like you all have been told there has only been a documented Jesus for the last 2,000 or so years and before that in the beginning there was just the Word and God.
It’s documented His saying He came down from Heaven, He had glory with His Father, Isaiah saw His Glory. He became the man Jesus.
 

101G

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Another case closer? Or the same with another nick?

Is. 9:6 DOES NOT say that Jesus "is called Mighty God". It says he "will be called Mighty God". Do you see the diference? Probably not ... you are too busy closing cases to discern the truth in what the Bible says.
Question, who is the "MIGHTY GOD" until he is the "MIGHTY GOD". be careful how you answer....

PICJAG, 101G.
 

101G

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the Tanakh, as well as the NT declare the Lord Jesus as the saviour. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

when did God come? next verse, Isaiah 35:5 "Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped."
Isaiah 35:6 "Then shall the lame man leap as an hart, and the tongue of the dumb sing: for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert."

when did all this happen? when the Lord Jesus came.

Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
is this the Lord jesus? let the bible answer,
Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost."
Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
Matthew 1:22 "Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying," Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us."

according to Isaiah 35:4 God came .... meaning "with US". now God with US saves, so my question to all who say Isaiah 7:14 do not declare this is the Lord Jesus, then please produce any bible book were anyone else called Emmanuel SAVED any one or thing.

please post book, chapter, and verse please? .... including the Tanakh.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
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