The Don Notts link https://forums.carm.org/threads/did-jesus-teach-he-was-god-himself.1983/post-852750
this is why I bookmarked the post, just for the IGNORANT one's. ........
talk to the hand ?
Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?
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this is why I bookmarked the post, just for the IGNORANT one's. ........
talk to the hand ?
The Don Notts link https://forums.carm.org/threads/did-jesus-teach-he-was-god-himself.1983/post-852750Looks like you keep referring to your definitions because you don't know any better?
? talk to it ........
I just love this, just used the Link..... lol, lol, ,lol.
Jewjitzu
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Book mark all you want. You're shooting blanks.The Don Notts link https://forums.carm.org/threads/did-jesus-teach-he-was-god-himself.1983/post-852750
this is why I bookmarked the post, just for the IGNORANT one's. ........
talk to the hand ?
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Jewjitzu
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Rotfl... it's evident you don't bother reading.The Don Notts link https://forums.carm.org/threads/did-jesus-teach-he-was-god-himself.1983/post-852750
? talk to it ........
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You're too caught in you're own pudding.
Jewjitzu
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If it helps you Goober, go for it. Unfortunately, it doesn't help your case?
lol, lol, lol, Oh boy this Don Notts link is a great idea....
#1 - There are NOT 2 anointed ones in Dan.9:25-26! It CLEARLY says " From the issuing of the decree ( Nisan in the 20th year { 444 BC } of king Artaxerxes reign in Nehemiah chapter 2 Jewjitzu ) to restore and rebuild Jerusalem until the Anointed one ( Just one Jewjitzu ), the ruler, comes, there will be 7 sevens ( of years before the rebuilding starts ) and 62 sevens " ( FYI Jewjitzu, that's another 62 sevens after the rebuilding of Jerusalem that that ONE Anointed comes on Palm Sunday, Nisan of 33 AD on that EXACT 69th seven )! Then verse 26 says " AFTER 62 sevens ( which is after the 69th seven Jewjitzu, since those 62 sevens follows those first 7 sevens and 7+62 = 69 sevens ), the Anointed one will be cut off " ( by crucifixion, Jewjitzu )! Jesus Christ is the ONLY Anointed one , who rode in on the foal of a donkey on Palm Sunday on Nisan of 33 AD ( March 30th 33 AD ) on EXACTLY that 69thth seven on Sunday, and then got cut off by crucifixion 4 days AFTER that 69th seven, on Nisan -Thursday April 3rd of 33 AD! Yes Thursday and NOT Friday as the Roman Catholics say because the scriptures say He was in the grave for 3 days & nights before resurrecting very EARLY on Sunday morning ( the first day of the week ) on Nisan - April 6th of 33 AD! ----------------- Thus case closed on your #'s 2-4 that are also WRONG based upon the FACTS of #1 that I just proved right here, Jewjitzu!
# 1 ----- The one GOD is Triune and we are Triune ( Body Soul & Spirit -1 Thess.5:23 ) as we were created in His image! We are not 3 humans no more than He is 3 GODs! So that Exactly why He said " US & OUR " about Himself in Gen.1:26 because that ONE GOD consisits of 3 Divine Persons who can be called God ( Not GOD or god ) as John 1:1 ; Acts 5:3-4 ; & Heb.1:8 shows us in the NT! Each part of humans can be called " HUMAN " ( Human Body, Human Soul, & Human Spirit ), without actually being 3 Humans! So case closed on the rest of your WRONG say ( # 2-9 )!Rotfl... v27 shows one person, God, His image for mankind, not a plural. If you'll notice, mankind has two aspects to them - one physical (earth, air, fire, water, etc.) and one spiritual (God's, ie, rulership, knowledge, godly attributes, Ex 34:6-7).
Angels consist of natural forces and elements, ie, Psalm 104:3-4, used in the creation of mankind. Just like the rest of creation, Gen 1:1-25.
So going back to Gen 1:26. Now you can understand that God, by Himself, exclusively singular, is speaking to the natural elements in the creation of mankind.
Of course it does, or at least your understanding does. Tanakh clearly calls out the Father as the exclusive Creator, ie, Deut 32:6, etc.
Now, we do have emissaries in the role of God as in Abraham, Genesis 23:6, Moses, 7:1, Judges, Ex 21:6, 22:8-9, Psalm 82:6, the house of David, Zechariah 12:8, angels, Psalm 8:5.
So, it should be no surprise that the Father's spoken word should act as God in the creation of all, as His word doesn't return void, Isaiah 55:11.
The Father is Spirit, there is no other. Psalm 40:6 mentions no son, but does mention that the person in question does acknowledge another as God. You need to do better.
Well, being that Jesus died proves he was neither everlasting nor the Father, and his own words in John 20:17 and Matthew 16:17 proves as much.
Tanakh has many people with godly names such as Daniel, Elijah, Hezekiah, Elisha, Isaiah, Adonijah, etc. For consistency, do you consider these people divine too?
Jewjitzu
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Rotfl... there is no mention of the word "one" in the Aramaic/Hebrew rod.ney.
The only person clearly called out as anointed during this period was Cyrus.
I would recommend reading Isaiah 44:28-45:1,13; Ezra 1:1-3; 2 Chronicles 36:21-23; Leviticus 26:18; Leviticus 25:1-22; then once you've finished with these, then entertain Jeremiah 25:12 and Jeremiah 29:10.
BTW, since it's obvious you haven't read Daniel in the original nor understand the taamaei hamiqra used for the vowel and punctuation points, please look at the KJV 1611 Edition and how these verses are written. That version correctly separates the first anointed after 7 weeks, and then 62 weeks of rebuilding.
Jewjitzu
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This is ridiculous. Which of your gods is the body, the soul, and the spirit?
Your gods are 3 persons. Are humans 3 persons?
Then we should be 3 persons in your gods image.
They are not human alone, so your gods shouldn't be god alone either.
Your case is wrong. That's for sure.
FYI again Jewjitzu, the OT
100% WRONG again Jewjitzu! Dan.9:24-26 CLEARLY states the Anointed one and NOT Anointed ones ( Plural )! The Anointed one was Jesus Christ! The math works out perfectly when using the STARTING point from the decree issued by King Artaxerxes to Neheniah in Nehemiah chapter 2! So case closed on your say so that contradicts those scriptures!
Jewjitzu
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Tanakh. It's still relevant nor superceded.
Show me the word "one" in the original.
Why don't you read what I gave you?
#1 - First off I do NOT have gods as you WRONGFULLY stated! I have but ONE GOD, who is a TRINITY composed of 3 Divine Persons that can be called God and not ( god or GOD )! I use the word GOD for the TRINITY and the word God for each of those 3 Divine persons of that one GOD! Angels & humans are called gods ( meaning non divine or not Deity ) ) in the scriptures! ---------- #2 - FYI I just told you AGAIN in #1 that I do NOT have gods ( Non Divine angels & humans )! I have but one GOD ( TRINITY ) who is composed of 3 Divine { Diety Jewjitzu } Persons called the Father, Word/Son, & Holy Spirit/Ghost ! A human is a non divine trinity ( in the image of the Divine Trinity ) composed of a body, soul, & spirit as per 1 Thess:5:23! Each human ( gods ) are but one human and NOT 3 humans, just because each part of the one Human can be called human ( Human Soul, Human Body, & Human Spirit )! The SAME goes with the one GOD composed of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit, each can be called God ( Deity - God the Father, God the Son, & God the Holy Spirit ) with out actually being 3 GODs ( 3 Trinities )! ------------ #3 - FYI again Jewjitzu, I do NOT have gods ( non divine angels & humans )! I have but one GOD ( Trinity ), and yes He is Triune as He is composed of God the Father, God the Son & God the Holy Spirit ( Not god or GOD { the Father , Son, & Holy Spirit } )! We are also triune ( but not Deity ) as I just showed you in #2 above! Each part of us can be called human without actually being 3 humans , just as the Father, Son & Holy Spirit making up the one GOD can be called God, with out actually being 3 GODS ! ------- #4 - FYI again angels & humans are non divine ( not Deity ) gods and I do not have 3 gods! I have but one GOD ( Trinity )! I never said they were alone, they ( humans & GOD ) are THREE in ONE ( a type of Trinity ) Jewjitzu ! Each paet of a human can be called human and each of the 3 Divine Persons that make up the one GOD can be called God ( Not god or GOD ) as scriptures show us in John 1:1; Acts 5:3-4 & Heb.1:8! So again Jewjitzue, that is EXACTLY why the one GOD of Gen.1:26 said " US & OUR " because He is a TRINITY consisting of the Father, Son, & Holy Spirit! ------------ #5 - So yes indeed your case is 100% WRONG and closed!This is ridiculous. Which of your gods is the body, the soul, and the spirit?
Your gods are 3 persons. Are humans 3 persons?
Then we should be 3 persons in your gods image.
They are not human alone, so your gods shouldn't be god alone either.
Your case is wrong. That's for sure.
Post me that scripture ( that is Original ) ! Cut & paste it with your reply!
Jewjitzu
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Jewjitzu
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Wrong. You said yourself that each part is called human soul, etc., not just human.
You have false gods.
Then your gods aren't God by themselves.
Was Jesus 3 on earth?
False. A part, not whole.
The word is merely the Father's words, not a person.
No separate persons here.
Yes, zero trinity in Tanakh. V26 shows one person spoke. There should have been 3.
Jewjitzu said:
The word is merely the Father's words, not a person.
Let's see if your statement is true, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
is this not the Father's Word, who is a person? yes or no
FYI, that's EXACTLY what I have been CORRECTLY telling you about Dan.9:25! It's only about ONE Messiah the Prince or Anointed one ( and NOT two )! No where in what you posted does it say one comes in the first 7 sevens and another comes in 62 more sevens! It says Messiah the Prince ( Just one Jewjitzu ) will come after the 7 sevens + 62 sevens = 69 sevens Jewjitzua! So again the STARTING point for the countdown was from the Decree that King Artaxerxes issued to Nehemiah on Nissan ( March/April ) in 444 BC, which was in the 20th year of his reign as per Nehemiah chapter two! So again, ONLY Jesus Christ fits that One Messiah that came into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, Nisan of 33 AD ( March 30th ) on that 7 + 72 sevens or the 69th seven, Jewjitzu! Then AFTER that 69th seven ( as Dan,9:26 states, Jewjitzu ), He ( Messiah the Prince - Jesus Christ ) was cut off ( by Crucifixion ) on Nisan ( April the 3rd of 33 AD ), which was on Good Thursday and NOT Good Friday as the RCC says! Then 3 days later ( Good Friday would only be 2 days later ) on Nisan April the 6th of 33 AD, VERY Early on Sunday morning ( the First day of the week ), He rose from the dead ( in 3 Days, not 2 ) as He said He would do in John 2:19-22! So again Jewjitzu, when you do the math using 360 days in a prophetic year and then convert them into our solar years of 365.25 days in a year, you will come up to EXACTLY Nisan ( March 30th of 33 AD - Palm Sunday ) for that 7 sevens + 62 sevens = 69 sevens mentioned in Dan.9:25 for that Messiah the Prince ( who was Jesus Christ, Jewjitzu )! Now case Permanently closed on your wrong say so ( man's word ) as Opposed to those posted scriptures! I'll show you the Math again from that starting point decree ( Nisan of 444 BC ) mentioned in Dan.9:25 for those first 69 sevens ( 7+62 ) moving Forward 69 weeks of prophetic years ( 69 X 7 = 483 prophetic years of 360 days each )! Multiply 483 by 360 to get the exact days and then Divid them by 365.25 to see how many Solar years ( 776 ) you move forward from Nisan of 444 BC and you will come up with Nisan of 32 AD ( 476-444=32 ), BUT there is NO Zero Year from 1 BC to 1 AD and as such 1 year gets added in to compensate that Fact! Thus 32 AD + 1 Year = 33 AD! The math works, so END of debate ( your Messiah came in the first 69 sevens and will come AGAIN to REIGN for 1000 years - just AFTER the 70th seven in Dan.9:27, as per Zech.14:4-16 in conjunction with Acts chapter 1 & Rev. 19:14-21 & 20:1-6 )!
Yes, the Son or person called Jesus Christ, the 2nd Divine Person of the GODHEAD that we call the Trinity! The Father is the first Divine Person and the Holy Spirit is the 3rd Divine Person! Thus each ( FSHS of Matt.28:19 ) can be called " God " individually as scriptures tell us in John 1:1 ; Acts 5:3-4 & Heb.1:8!Jewjitzu said:
The word is merely the Father's words, not a person.
Let's see if your statement is true, John 1:14 "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth."
is this not the Father's Word, who is a person? yes or no
Yes one Person ( God the Father ) spoke those words and there were 3 Total, which included the Father that spoke because there were 2 other Divine Persons that were with Him ( God the Word & God the Holy Spirit ) BEFORE Creation, because He said " US & OUR " and ONLY GOD ( that Trinity as so shown in John 1:1-18 ; Acts 5:3-4 & Heb.1:6+8 ) could have EXISTED before HE Created " ALL Things " like in John 1:3 & Col.1:16! Case closed as He said US & OUR which included those 2 other Divine Persons along with Himself, who EXISTED before they Created every thing else! Thus you did NOT know how many were included in the " US & OUR " till you read those scriptures that I posted! Even the OT shows the Spirit in Gen.1:2 ( God the Holy Spirit ) hovering over the water and Isaiah 9:6 shows that Child to be born ( Jesus Christ who was God the WORD in John 1:1 ) called " Mighty God & EVERLASTING Father "! So there you have in the OT & NT, who the US & OUR were in Gen.1:26 ( 3 Divine Persons - Father Son & Holy Spirit )! Case closed! and end of debate!Yes, zero trinity in Tanakh. V26 shows one person spoke. There should have been 3.