Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?

johnny guitar

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Not as two distinct Persons. Scriptures don't present Father and Son together as God in a single verse. The authors of NT do it distinctively. So we must not add them to make two Persons. That's what Trinitarians do by inference. Not a single scripture mentions F, S and Holy Spirit as distinct Persons together. This is what Trinitarians make by adding. They see Father as God in particular scriptures and likewise see The Son and The Holy Spirit as God in distinct scriptures and connect to say that they are distinct Persons which is erroneous. We don't have to add them up.
God IN THREE Persons.
Standard Christian Theology.
 
Not as two distinct Persons. Scriptures don't present Father and Son together as God in a single verse. The authors of NT do it distinctively. So we must not add them to make two Persons. That's what Trinitarians do by inference. Not a single scripture mentions F, S and Holy Spirit as distinct Persons together. This is what Trinitarians make by adding. They see Father as God in particular scriptures and likewise see The Son and The Holy Spirit as God in distinct scriptures and connect to say that they are distinct Persons which is erroneous. We don't have to add them up.

If God is one, how can we identify the three divine personalities? In my opinion, this is a contradiction.
 

rossh

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I am about finished with you on this, for I have covered everything I needed to and you still do not want to accept the truth about it and I know how that is because I was a trinitarian for 30 plus years myself and it was very hard for me to escape it also after being brainwashed in it for so long.

However, I didn't have the advantage of people bringing my attention to the many verses that reveal your doctrine as false like you do with the many on here that know the verses, for God himself had to reveal them to me little by little and until I was thoroughly convinced that the trin and Jesus as God doctrines are totally false.

Therefore you are without excuse.

Now concerning your last statements above, we are not told to try to understand God's word the best we can but rather we are told to seek God to reveal the scriptures unto us by his Spirit.

For to try and understand them the best we can is to walk in the flesh but to seek God to reveal them unto us by faith and patience is part of walking in the Spirit, for it will either be the mind of the flesh or the mind of the Spirit but it cannot be by both.


I will therefore leave you with these verses below.


1 Corinthians 2:13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words. 14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,

“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we (who are truly Spirit led) have the mind of Christ.



On this note, I am finished with our conversation on this, for I have said all that is necessary for the present time.
Actually you have not said anything at all. For your information, the Messiah, Yeshua, did not come to save us Gentiles, He came only to Israel.. I guess we just got lucky towards the end, what do you say ?
 

Anthony

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If God is one, how can we identify the three divine personalities? In my opinion, this is a contradiction.
Not a contradiction in scriptures which is spiritual in nature. It's not written like any book in the world. Scriptures must be searched and is like a jigsaw puzzle must be connected.

God as The Ordinal First is The Father and as The Ordinal Last is The Son.

If you study OT, YHWH revealed Himself in duality of powers - Higher case and the Lower Case as being sent. NT also shows the same thing. The Father is above The Son and being sent but at the same time He is equal share of God in flesh without being distinct Person.

When God promises something that no creature can accomplish, He does it Himself taking the route of a Servant. This difference is misunderstood in Trinitarianism and Unitarianism.
 

Anthony

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If God is one, how can we identify the three divine personalities? In my opinion, this is a contradiction.
No three Divine Personalities - The Father as Ordinal First - and The Son as the Ordinal Last - duality of powers within the same God and not personalities
 

Yahweh will increase

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Actually you have not said anything at all. For your information, the Messiah, Yeshua, did not come to save us Gentiles, He came only to Israel.. I guess we just got lucky towards the end, what do you say ?
ROFLOL, which only means that he only came directly himself to save Israel, whereas he didn't come directly to save the Gentiles but instead he came indirectly through those in Israel who first received the message and believed and which was always God's intention even before the world was dude.

The fact that he only came personally to Israel doesn't mean that he only intended to save Israel alone, for that is ignorant nonsense.


For what did he tell Abraham?


"I will make you a Father of many nations" and right there you see that the plan of God was always to save people from all nations and not just Israel, even though God started with sending Jesus directly unto Israel first and then through those of Israel who believed first, the message went to the Gentiles.


This was always God's plan, even though Israel the nation failed to be that witness to the other nations and that is why God fulfilled it through Christ in the Israelites who believed the gospel first and were saved.
 

Newbirth

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It makes them partakers of the Divine nature, by which we can manifest all the Christian virtues listed in the following passages.
Johnny, you are exposing your ignorance. God's promises make us partakers.
Acts 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 2:39
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Read Peter's words slowly...
... Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature
the list is the means by which we retain the promise... For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

Newbirth

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When God promises something that no creature can accomplish, He does it Himself taking the route of a Servant. This difference is misunderstood in Trinitarianism and Unitarianism.
A servant to whom? Every servant has a master. If God became a servant who is God's master?
 

Newbirth

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No three Divine Personalities - The Father as Ordinal First - and The Son as the Ordinal Last - duality of powers within the same God and not personalities
isn't that called split personality? Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder)
 

Anthony

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Actually you have not said anything at all. For your information, the Messiah, Yeshua, did not come to save us Gentiles, He came only to Israel.. I guess we just got lucky towards the end, what do you say ?
He came to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel and not every Tom, Dick and Harry.

Israel, the northern kingdom was in dispersion since their captivity to Assyria. They mingled with heathens and had mixed marriages by which they lost their ethnicity. Only Jews (Judah) maintained their ethnicity who are called natural olive branches while dispersed Israelites became wild olive branches. They were looked down upon as uncircumcised by the Jews. Some of them were made proselytes by the Jews and hence there were synogogs for them to be taught Torah on Shabbats. If one noticed the book of Acts, missionary and Apostle Paul always went to synagogues to preach the good news about the Messiah.

Anyways, the gospel message went to all the 4 corners of the earth to seek the lost sheep of the house of Israel and whoever believed in the true Messiah would realize that they were the children of Abraham (as he was promised that he would be the father of many nations), though being mixed seed in dispersion.

That's why we don't despise anyone who believes in the true Hebraic Mashyach.
 

Newbirth

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Your response is irrelevant to the fact ONLY Jesus was conceived by The Holy Spirit.
Jesus is The Head of the Church and PREEMINENT in ALL things???
Wow! He must be God.
wow, you just said the scripture is irrelevant and posted your opinion to replace the scripture...
Jesus is the firstborn from the dead... men are appointed to die... God cannot die...you lose again...
Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
 

johnny guitar

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Johnny, you are exposing your ignorance. God's promises make us partakers.
Acts 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 2:39
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Read Peter's words slowly...
... Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature
the list is the means by which we retain the promise... For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
God ALONE is Divine BY nature and He ALONE possesses the Divine nature.
 

johnny guitar

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you and your son with the same nature...two persons with the same nature

Does that mean you and your son are the same person? According to your understanding, Jesus is his own father.
According to The Bible Jesus is God.
I and my son are MEN.
The Father and Son are GOD.
 
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