Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?

rossh

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God has a DIVINE Son who BECAME flesh and blood AS Jesus Christ.
Yes, how ever the definition is found in both Matthew 1 from verse 18 and also Isa 46:
8 Remember this, and stand firm. Keep it in mind, you rebels.

9 "Remember things that happened at the beginning, long ago - that I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.

10 At the beginning I announce the end, proclaim in advance things not yet done; and I say that my plan will hold, I will do everything I please to do.

11 I call a bird of prey from the east, the man I intended, from a distant country. I have spoken and will bring it about; I have made a plan, and I will fulfill it.

12 Listen to me, you stubborn people, so far from righteousness:

13 I am bringing my justice nearer, it is not far away; my salvation will not be delayed, I will place my salvation in Tziyon for Isra'el my glory.

His Name is Yeshua Matt 1, NOT Jesus, also Hebrew has no " Jj " ..

Matt 1:
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21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means `ADONAI saves,'] because he will save his people from their sins."

22 All this happened in order to fulfill what ADONAI had said through the prophet,

23 "The virgin will conceive and bear a son, and they will call him `Immanu El."a (The name means, "God is with us.")

24 When Yosef awoke he did what the angel of ADONAI had told him to do -- he took Miryam home to be his wife,

25 but he did not have sexual relations with her until she had given birth to a son, and he named him Yeshua.
 

OldShepherd

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Scriptures have never taught anything, like a triune god... there is no triune god in Heaven ... God has a flesh and blood SON named Yeshua who does not have the sin nature of mankind, which we all have as Adam proved to be imperfect and sinful.
Gen 3:10 11 12, " who told you that you are naked ? "
Rev 12,,
Ro 3:
10 As the Tanakh puts it, "There is no one righteous, not even one! No one understands,
11 no one seeks God,
12 all have turned away and at the same time become useless; there is no one who shows kindness, not a single one!
13 "Their throats are open graves, they use their tongues to deceive. Vipers' venom is under their lips.
14 Their mouths are full of curses and bitterness.
15 "Their feet rush to shed blood,
16 in their ways are ruin and misery,
Anti-Trinitarians endlessly squabble and bicker about words, used by Trinitarians, trying to express the nature of God, as revealed in scripture, e.g. Trinity,””triune,””person,""being,""entity,""substance,""essence,"”nature,””who," Hypostatic union," etc., etc., All words are inherently finite and imperfect, therefore these words, and/or any other words, are totally inadequate to describe God, the infinite, perfect, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. But the fact that human words are finite, limited and imperfect does not prove or disprove anything about the doctrine of the Trinity.
Here yet again scriptural truths I have posted before, without any so-called unscriptural words or man made doctrines.
1. There is one God! The Father is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Father is not the Son or the Spirit. Numerous vss. e.g., John 6:27, Gal 1:1, Gal 1:3, Eph 6:23, Philippians 2:11, 1 Thess 1:1, 2 Tim 1:2, Titus 1:4, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:17 et. al.
2. There is one God! The Son is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. Thirty six (36) scripture which address or refer to Jesus as God.
[1] Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
[2]Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
[3]Luk 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.
[4] Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[5] Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[6] Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him[God created the world, Gen 1:1], and the world knew him not.
[7] Joh 1:14 And the Word [acting on Himself] became flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
[8] Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten God, μονογενὴς θεὸς ] which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
[9] John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
[10] Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [Jewish leaders speaking]
[11] Joh 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.[John speaking]
[12] Joh 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, [Amen, Amen] I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am [ אהיה/ehyeh, I am, Ex 3:14].
[13] John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his [Jesus] glory, and spake of him[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 6:1ff].
Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple​
[14] Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?
[15] Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was[Jesus was aware of His existence,with God, before the world was created.].
[16] Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine[Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus]; and I am glorified in them.
[17] Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, [Jesus] My Lord and my God. [Thomas addressed Jesus as God and Jesus praised him.]
[18] Act 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.


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OldShepherd

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[19] Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever[Jesus called God]. Amen.
[20] 2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
[21] Col 1:14
In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[22] Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
[23] Eph 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:
[24] Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
[25] Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever[God calls the Son, God]: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.
10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;
12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.
[26] Heb 3:3 For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
4 For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
[27] Phi 2:6 Who, being [existing] in the form of God, thought it not something to be used to His advantage the being[present, active infinitive] equal with God:[The being equal to God was a then and there reality not something considered and declined.]
[28] 1 Tim 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh[Jesus called God], is justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
[29] 1 Tim 1:1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ[Jesus called God], which is our hope;
.....[If Jesus is not God and savior in vs,1 He is not Lord and savior in vs. 11. Same grammatical construction]
[30] 1 Tim 6:15 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;[The lamb is king of kings, Rev 17:14, Jesus is king of kings, Rev 19:16, God is Lord of Lords Deu 10:17]
[31] Tit 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ[Jesus called God];
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.
[32] 2 Pet 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ[Jesus called God]:
[33] 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life[Jesus called God].
[34] Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings[יהוה/YHWH, Deu 10:17]: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
[35] Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS[יהוה/YHWH, Deu 10:17].
[36] Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 40:10].
13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 44:6]
 

OldShepherd

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well yes, in a way even, though He died for us mortals and He died as a human being so that we could be saved from eternal death/separation from our God..
A mere human being could not save anyone from eternal punishment [see Matt 25:46]
Psalms 49:7-9
7 (49:8) No man can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him -
8 (49:9) For too costly is the redemption of their soul, and must be let alone for ever -
9 (49:10) That he should still live alway, that he should not see the pit.​
This verse is from the 1917 Jewish Publication Society translation of the OT.
 

rossh

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A mere human being could not save anyone from eternal punishment [see Matt 25:46]
Psalms 49:7-9​
7 (49:8) No man can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him -​
8 (49:9) For too costly is the redemption of their soul, and must be let alone for ever -​
9 (49:10) That he should still live alway, that he should not see the pit.​
This verse is from the 1917 Jewish Publication Society translation of the OT.
Well He did, He suffered for our healing and died in our stated no matter how YOU look at it. Romans 5:9+
We also have to confess Him verbally as Lord and Messiah publicly and or to out congregation at some time also in Romans.
HELLO!!! WE ARE NOW IN THE NT SINCE HIS CONCEPTION AND BIRTH... Why quote passage intended to Israel alone and then use them to us Messianic believers ? Romans 10:9+
 

rossh

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Anti-Trinitarians endlessly squabble and bicker about words, used by Trinitarians, trying to express the nature of God, as revealed in scripture, e.g. Trinity,””triune,””person,""being,""entity,""substance,""essence,"”nature,””who," Hypostatic union," etc., etc., All words are inherently finite and imperfect, therefore these words, and/or any other words, are totally inadequate to describe God, the infinite, perfect, omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent. But the fact that human words are finite, limited and imperfect does not prove or disprove anything about the doctrine of the Trinity.
Here yet again scriptural truths I have posted before, without any so-called unscriptural words or man made doctrines.
1. There is one God! The Father is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Father is not the Son or the Spirit. Numerous vss. e.g., John 6:27, Gal 1:1, Gal 1:3, Eph 6:23, Philippians 2:11, 1 Thess 1:1, 2 Tim 1:2, Titus 1:4, 1 Peter 1:2, 2 Peter 1:17 et. al.
2. There is one God! The Son is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. Thirty six (36) scripture which address or refer to Jesus as God.
[1] Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.​
[2]Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

[3]Luk 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.​
[4] Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​
[5] Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.​
[6] Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him[God created the world, Gen 1:1], and the world knew him not.​
[7] Joh 1:14 And the Word [acting on Himself] became flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.​
[8] Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten God, μονογενὴς θεὸς ] which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.​
[9] John 10:30 I and my Father are one.​
[10] Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [Jewish leaders speaking]
[11] Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.[John speaking]
[12] Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, [Amen, Amen] I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am [ אהיה/ehyeh, I am, Ex 3:14].​
[13] John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his [Jesus] glory, and spake of him[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 6:1ff].​
Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple​

[14] Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?​
[15] Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was[Jesus was aware of His existence,with God, before the world was created.].​
[16] Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine[Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus]; and I am glorified in them.​
[17] Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, [Jesus] My Lord and my God. [Thomas addressed Jesus as God and Jesus praised him.]
[18] Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
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why are you trying to have me UNSAVED ? Seriously ??? OT is for Israel ONLY, hint US believers in the One True Messiah were not around then, He had not suffered and not died and not risen from the Dead then. How ever He was foretold many times IN the OT to Israel..
 

OldShepherd

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Well He did, He suffered for our healing and died in our stated no matter how YOU look at it. Romans 5:9+
We also have to confess Him verbally as Lord and Messiah publicly and or to out congregation at some time also in Romans.
HELLO!!! WE ARE NOW IN THE NT SINCE HIS CONCEPTION AND BIRTH... Why quote passage intended to Israel alone and then use them to us Messianic believers ? Romans 10:9+
How many times is the OT quoted in the NT as binding on Christians?
The New Testament writers included approximately 250 express Old Testament quotations, and if one includes indirect or partial quotations, the number jumps to more than 1,000 (referring to all OT books except Obadiah)
When was Psalm 49 repealed? It wasn't.
Since Jesus did in fact die for the salvation of all mankind that proves He was not a mere human being. As John and Thomas said.
 

johnny guitar

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Well He did, He suffered for our healing and died in our stated no matter how YOU look at it. Romans 5:9+
We also have to confess Him verbally as Lord and Messiah publicly and or to out congregation at some time also in Romans.
HELLO!!! WE ARE NOW IN THE NT SINCE HIS CONCEPTION AND BIRTH... Why quote passage intended to Israel alone and then use them to us Messianic believers ? Romans 10:9+
The Lord is God and vice versa.
 

Newbirth

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John and Thomas believed that Jesus was/is God.
No, they did not.
John wrote this...
1 John 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
 

Newbirth

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The Lord is God and vice versa.
Genesis 24:
18 And she said, Drink, my lord: and she hasted, and let down her pitcher upon her hand, and gave him drink.
Was Abraham's servant God?

1 Corinthians 8:5
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
 

Newbirth

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we already know that, it says so, rightfully, in the Scriptures, but much better than that, He is also MY Lord and MY Savior!
Your Lord and Savior have a God.
2 Corinthians 1:3
Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
 

YeshuaFan

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No, they did not.
John wrote this...
1 John 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
John Chapter 1 states clearly Jesus was and is very God, and also a man!
 

CharismaticLady

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No, they did not.
John wrote this...
1 John 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Jesus, the Son of God, is God. The Father is God. The Spirit is God.

1 John 5:
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

1 John 3:23-24
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave [a]us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

John 15:7
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Romans 8:9 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. (Trinity)
 

Yahchristian

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Jesus, the Son of God, is God. The Father is God. The Spirit is God.

I agree !!!

But to clarify what we each mean by that statement...

Can you provide ONE definition for the word “God” so both statements are true?

1) Jesus is the Son of God.
2) Jesus is the incarnation of God.

Yes, if “God” is defined as “______________”. Etc.

I can. I define “God” as “the one who transcends creation”.

In other words, I believe...

1) Jesus is the Son of the one who transcends creation.
2) Jesus is the incarnation of the one who transcends creation.
 

Yahweh will increase

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Jesus, the Son of God, is God. The Father is God. The Spirit is God.
1 John 5:
20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us an understanding, that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.

That is false John 17:3 "This is eternal life that they might know you, (Father) The Only True God and Jesus Christ who you have sent".

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever would believe in him, should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:26 "For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has given to the Son to have life in himself also".

John 6:57 "For just as The Living Father has sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats of me (received my body and blood sacrifice for their sins) will live because of me

Therefore the Father is The Only True God and the Father within the Son is our eternal life and which is exactly what 1 John 5:20 is revealing and not that the Father and the Son are the true God like trins and ones falsely believe.

You cannot contradict what Jesus said in John 17:3 with 1 John 5:20, for if they are interpreted correctly then harmonize with each other and there is no way they harmonize the way you are interpreting them.
1 John 3:23-24
23 And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave [a]us commandment. 24 Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

And just where do you see the Son being revealed as Yahweh God in the above?
John 15:7
7 If you abide in Me, and My words abide in you, you will ask what you desire, and it shall be done for you.

Again, where do you see the above as revealing Jesus to be Yahweh God?

Also, God's word has to abide in you in Spirit and truth and not adulterated like what you do with it.

Furthermore, the Devil offered Jesus all of the kingdoms of this world and the riches to go along with them if he would worship him and he is still doing this today under the ploy of his being the True God and his true Christ when really it is the Devil and his spirit of antichrist that your churches have substituted for the true God and Christ of the Bible.

Therefore the Devil counterfeits the blessings of God also and in order to deceive those who have been taken captive to him listening to his lies concerning the scriptures instead of listening to God regarding the scriptures like they should be.
John 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Sorry but when the word "gimomai" is used in John 1:14 "and the word became "ginomai" flesh", it means that what was God and remained God in God's nature was then made flesh and flesh as how the Bible reveals what flesh is and there is no such thing as flesh that is also God.

1 John 4:1-3

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


By the way, the name Jesus Christ does equal the word "God" and therefore John is speaking of the anointed one and human Savior Jesus Christ and that we must believe that he is in the flesh and flesh as the Bible defines flesh and there is no such thing as God/flesh in the scriptures.

Romans 1:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible (that which cannot die) God into an image made like to corruptible (that which can die) man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.






Romans 8:9 9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. (Trinity)
The words "Spirit of Christ" do not refer to the spirit that belonged to Jesus' nature or essence or substance but rather the Holy Spirit by which he was anointed and made the Christ.

Here is proof of that fact from John 16:13-15, for Jesus sends the Holy Spirit in place of himself and to speak to his sheep on his behalf and therefore the only way by which Jesus comes to us is through his connection and ours to the Holy Spirit.

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.

For if he was dwelling in us in the completely personal way that trins and oneness falsely believe him to be, then why would he have said what he did in the above passage?

For he tells us that the Spirit would be sent to speak his words unto us for him because he is sitting at the right hand of God in the heavens and he is not omnipresent while the Holy Spirit who anointed him to be everything that he is, is omnipresent and therefore Jesus is communicated unto us by the Holy Spirit in his place.
 
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CharismaticLady

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I agree !!!

But to clarify what we each mean by that statement...

Can you provide ONE definition for the word “God” so both statements are true?

1) Jesus is the Son of God.
2) Jesus is the incarnation of God.

Yes, if “God” is defined as “______________”. Etc.

I can. I define “God” as “the one who transcends creation”.

In other words, I believe...

1) Jesus is the Son of the one who transcends creation.
2) Jesus is the incarnation of the one who transcends creation.

In the working world, it would be like the office of a manager. The plural would be in management.
 

CharismaticLady

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That is false John 17:3 "This is eternal life that they might know you, (Father) The Only True God and Jesus Christ who you have sent".

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever would believe in him, should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:26 "For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has given to the Son to have life in himself also".

John 6:57 "For just as The Living Father has sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats of me (received my body and blood sacrifice for their sins) will live because of me

Therefore the Father is The Only True God and the Father within the Son is our eternal life and which is exactly what 1 John 5:20 is revealing and not that the Father and the Son are the true God like trins and ones falsely believe.

You cannot contradict what Jesus said in John 17:3 with 1 John 5:20, for if they are interpreted correctly then harmonize with each other and there is no way they harmonize the way you are interpreting them.


And just where do you see the Son being revealed as Yahweh God in the above?


Again, where do you see the above as revealing Jesus to be Yahweh God?

Also, God's word has to abide in you in Spirit and truth and not adulterated like what you do with it.

Furthermore, the Devil offered Jesus all of the kingdoms of this world and the riches to go along with them if he would worship him and he is still doing this today under the ploy of his being the True God and his true Christ when really it is the Devil and his spirit of antichrist that your churches have substituted for the true God and Christ of the Bible.

Therefore the Devil counterfeits the blessings of God also and in order to deceive those who have been taken captive to him listening to his lies concerning the scriptures instead of listening to God regarding the scriptures like they should be.


Sorry but when the word "gimomai" is used in John 1:14 "and the word became "ginomai" flesh", it means that what was God and remained God in God's nature was then made flesh and flesh as how the Bible reveals what flesh is and there is no such thing as flesh that is also God.

1 John 4:1-3

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


By the way, the name Jesus Christ does equal the word "God" and therefore John is speaking of the anointed one and human Savior Jesus Christ and that we must believe that he is in the flesh and flesh as the Bible defines flesh and there is no such thing as God/flesh in the scriptures.

Romans 1:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible (that which cannot die) God into an image made like to corruptible (that which can die) man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.







The words "Spirit of Christ" do not refer to the spirit that belonged to Jesus' nature or essence or substance but rather the Holy Spirit by which he was anointed and made the Christ.

Here is proof of that fact from John 16:13-15, for Jesus sends the Holy Spirit in place of himself and to speak to his sheep on his behalf and therefore the only way by which Jesus comes to us is through his connection and ours to the Holy Spirit.

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.

For if he was dwelling in us in the completely personal way that trins and oneness falsely believe him to be, then why would he have said what he did in the above passage?

For he tells us that the Spirit would be sent to speak his words unto us for him because he is sitting at the right hand of God in the heavens and he is not omnipresent while the Holy Spirit who anointed him to be everything that he is, is omnipresent and therefore Jesus is communicated unto us by the Holy Spirit in his place.
Titus 2:
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ.
 
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