Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?

rossh

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Does you Bible only have those 2 verses? My Bible has 31,172 verses. I use the all of them, not just one or two.
There is one God! The Son is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. Thirty six (36) scripture which address or refer to Jesus as God.
[1] Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.​
[2]Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

[3]Luk 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.​
[4] Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​
[5] Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.​
[6] Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him[God created the world, Gen 1:1], and the world knew him not.​
[7] Joh 1:14 And the Word [acting on Himself] became flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.​
[8] Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten God, μονογενὴς θεὸς ] which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.​
[9] John 10:30 I and my Father are one.​
[10] Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [Jewish leaders speaking]
[11] Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.[John speaking]
[12] Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, [Amen, Amen] I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am [ אהיה/ehyeh, I am, Ex 3:14].​
[13] John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his [Jesus] glory, and spake of him[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 6:1ff].​
Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple​

[14] Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?​
[15] Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was[Jesus was aware of His existence,with God, before the world was created.].​
[16] Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine[Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus]; and I am glorified in them.​
[17] Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, [Jesus] My Lord and my God. [Thomas addressed Jesus as God and Jesus praised him.]
[18] Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
[19] Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever[Jesus called God]. Amen.​
[20] 2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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learn how to read English then come back and try again.. Oh yes and also, leave out and omit your suppositions which you insert as you go along with your blasphemy .. so if you do want to be taken seriously just use Scripture only.. you quoted what " people " said by suppositions and you suppose these issues yourself.. lol
John 17:9 "I am praying for them. I am not praying for the world, but for those you have given to me, because they are yours. 10 Indeed, all I have is yours, and all you have is mine, and in them I have been glorified. 11 Now I am no longer in the world. They are in the world, but I am coming to you. Holy Father, guard them by the power of your name, which you have given to me, so that they may be one, just as we are.
You type nothing but garbage and an insult to all..
 

rossh

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First the verse should be translated like this "Looking for that blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ.

And the words "the glory of our great God and savior" is the title that Paul is giving to Jesus Christ and not "our great God and Savior" like trins like to twist his words to be meaning.

This agrees perfectly with what Paul called Jesus in Colossians 1:15 also "who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation".

For God's glory is manifested unto us only through Jesus Christ his human Son and heir.

The same happens in 2 Peter 1:1 "the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ". because it is through Jesus Christ that God's righteousness was revealed unto us.

Doesn't it trouble you at all that although Paul wrote volumes on the Jewish error concerning their idea that they could be made righteous by the law of Moses and also about the resurrection of the dead, he never gave any specific teaching about a trinity or that Jesus was also God?

Doesn't it bother you in the slightest that if the Jews really killed Jesus because he was calling himself God and they really believed this, why we don't see any of the believers in the book of acts preaching this or being persecuted for preaching it?

It should if it doesn't.
Col 1 as you quoted is a problem for many, they seem to think that it is a Question.. sic!
…8 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and that will be enough for us.” 9 Jesus replied, “Philip, I have been with you all this time, and still you do not know Me? Anyone who has seen Me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works.…

The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of His nature, upholding all things by His powerful word. After He had provided purification for sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high.
 

rossh

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John Chapter 1 states clearly Jesus was and is very God, and also a man!
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 He was with God in the beginning.

3 All things came to be through him, and without him nothing made had being.

4 In him was life, and the life was the light of mankind.

5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not suppressed it.

6 There was a man sent from God whose name was Yochanan.

7 He came to be a testimony, to bear witness concerning the light; so that through him, everyone might put his trust in God and be faithful to him.

8 He himself was not that light; no, he came to bear witness concerning the light.

9 This was the true light, which gives light to everyone entering the world.

10 He was in the world -- the world came to be through him -- yet the world did not know him.

well I can not find where it says explicitly that, " Yeshua IS God " ? so you will have to c/p it for me/us please ?
 

rossh

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Does you Bible only have those 2 verses? My Bible has 31,172 verses. I use the all of them, not just one or two.
There is one God! The Son is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. Thirty six (36) scripture which address or refer to Jesus as God.
[1] Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.​
[2]Isaiah 7:14
14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

[3]Luk 7:16 And there came a fear on all: and they glorified God, saying, That a great prophet is risen up among us; and, That God hath visited his people.​
[4] Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.​
[5] Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.​
[6] Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him[God created the world, Gen 1:1], and the world knew him not.​
[7] Joh 1:14 And the Word [acting on Himself] became flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.​
[8] Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten God, μονογενὴς θεὸς ] which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.​
[9] John 10:30 I and my Father are one.​
[10] Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [Jewish leaders speaking]
[11] Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.[John speaking]
[12] Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, [Amen, Amen] I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am [ אהיה/ehyeh, I am, Ex 3:14].​
[13] John 12:41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his [Jesus] glory, and spake of him[יהוה/YHWH, Isa 6:1ff].​
Isa 6:1 In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple​

[14] Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?​
[15] Joh 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was[Jesus was aware of His existence,with God, before the world was created.].​
[16] Joh 17:10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine[Everything that belongs to the Father belongs to Jesus]; and I am glorified in them.​
[17] Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, [Jesus] My Lord and my God. [Thomas addressed Jesus as God and Jesus praised him.]
[18] Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
[19] Rom 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever[Jesus called God]. Amen.​
[20] 2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
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well may we suggest that you actually OPEN your Bible and actually READ those verses.. THEN you will be able to preach to us... instead of guessing.... Rev 4:
1 After these things, I looked; and there before me was a door standing open in heaven; and the voice like a trumpet which I had heard speaking with me before said, "Come up here, and I will show you what must happen after these things."

2 Instantly I was in the Spirit, and there before me in heaven stood a throne, and on the throne Someone was sitting.

3 The One sitting there gleamed like diamonds and rubies, and a rainbow shining like emerald encircled the throne.

4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and on the thrones sat twenty-four elders dressed in white clothing and wearing gold crowns on their heads.

5 From the throne came forth lightnings, voices and thunderings; and before the throne were seven flaming torches, which are the sevenfold Spirit of God.
 

rod.ney

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That is false John 17:3 "This is eternal life that they might know you, (Father) The Only True God and Jesus Christ who you have sent".

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever would believe in him, should not perish but have eternal life.

John 5:26 "For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has given to the Son to have life in himself also".

John 6:57 "For just as The Living Father has sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats of me (received my body and blood sacrifice for their sins) will live because of me

Therefore the Father is The Only True God and the Father within the Son is our eternal life and which is exactly what 1 John 5:20 is revealing and not that the Father and the Son are the true God like trins and ones falsely believe.

You cannot contradict what Jesus said in John 17:3 with 1 John 5:20, for if they are interpreted correctly then harmonize with each other and there is no way they harmonize the way you are interpreting them.


And just where do you see the Son being revealed as Yahweh God in the above?


Again, where do you see the above as revealing Jesus to be Yahweh God?

Also, God's word has to abide in you in Spirit and truth and not adulterated like what you do with it.

Furthermore, the Devil offered Jesus all of the kingdoms of this world and the riches to go along with them if he would worship him and he is still doing this today under the ploy of his being the True God and his true Christ when really it is the Devil and his spirit of antichrist that your churches have substituted for the true God and Christ of the Bible.

Therefore the Devil counterfeits the blessings of God also and in order to deceive those who have been taken captive to him listening to his lies concerning the scriptures instead of listening to God regarding the scriptures like they should be.


Sorry but when the word "gimomai" is used in John 1:14 "and the word became "ginomai" flesh", it means that what was God and remained God in God's nature was then made flesh and flesh as how the Bible reveals what flesh is and there is no such thing as flesh that is also God.

1 John 4:1-3

1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesses not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.


By the way, the name Jesus Christ does equal the word "God" and therefore John is speaking of the anointed one and human Savior Jesus Christ and that we must believe that he is in the flesh and flesh as the Bible defines flesh and there is no such thing as God/flesh in the scriptures.

Romans 1:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

23 And changed the glory of the incorruptible (that which cannot die) God into an image made like to corruptible (that which can die) man, and to birds, and four footed beasts, and creeping things.







The words "Spirit of Christ" do not refer to the spirit that belonged to Jesus' nature or essence or substance but rather the Holy Spirit by which he was anointed and made the Christ.

Here is proof of that fact from John 16:13-15, for Jesus sends the Holy Spirit in place of himself and to speak to his sheep on his behalf and therefore the only way by which Jesus comes to us is through his connection and ours to the Holy Spirit.

John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will glorify me because it is from me that he will receive what he will make known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will receive from me what he will make known to you.

For if he was dwelling in us in the completely personal way that trins and oneness falsely believe him to be, then why would he have said what he did in the above passage?

For he tells us that the Spirit would be sent to speak his words unto us for him because he is sitting at the right hand of God in the heavens and he is not omnipresent while the Holy Spirit who anointed him to be everything that he is, is omnipresent and therefore Jesus is communicated unto us by the Holy Spirit in his place.
100% WRONG again He Will Add! He ( the Word ) " who was God " and " was with God " ( the Father & Holy Spirit ) in John 1:1 BECAME " Flesh " ( God the Word in the Flesh as Jesus Christ the God-Man ) in John 1:14! All was created through/By Him ( God the Word, who became Jesus Christ ) as per John 1:3/ Col.1:16! Even God the Father calls Him " O God " in Heb.1:8, just after all His created angels Worshiped Him ( Jesus ) in Heb.1:6! Angels do not worship anyone but God! Precarnate Jesus ( the Word ) existed as God in order to have known Abraham BEFORE Abraham was born as per John 8:58! Case closed on the former HWA with his Twisted views ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) because all the AS IS ( before the Twist ) posted scriptures rebukes his views as per 2 Tim.3:16!
 

rod.ney

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No, they did not.
John wrote this...
1 John 4:9
In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
John said He " was God " the Word and " was with God " ( the Father & Holy Spirit ) in John 1:1 before He became " Flesh " ( incarnate as the God-Man Jesus Christ ) in John 1:14! The doubting Apostle Thomas said this " My Lord and My God " after seeing the resurrected Christ with His crucifixion wounds in John 20:28! So yes they did indeed and the case is closed!
 

Newbirth

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Does you Bible only have those 2 verses? My Bible has 31,172 verses. I use the all of them, not just one or two.
There is one God! The Son is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit. Thirty six (36) scripture which address or refer to Jesus as God.
You are supposed to be a bright guy, use your brain, based on what you wrote, there is one God and the son is that one God, and the son is not the Father or the HS, it follows that the Father and the HS are not the one God.
Your misunderstanding of the scripture is noted.
 

Newbirth

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and He never taught that he was God and so all that is just in your mind, no one else to be blamed for thinking that..
1 The festival of Shavu'ot arrived, and the believers all gathered together in one place.

2 Suddenly there came a sound from the sky like the roar of a violent wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.

3 Then they saw what looked like tongues of fire, which separated and came to rest on each one of them.

4 They were all filled with the Ruach HaKodesh and began to talk in different languages, as the Spirit enabled them to speak.

5 Now there were staying in Yerushalayim religious Jews from every nation under heaven.

6 When they heard this sound, a crowd gathered; they were confused, because each one heard the believers speaking in his own language.

7 Totally amazed, they asked, "How is this possible? Aren't all these people who are speaking from the Galil?

Amen!
Those verses do not show Jesus to be God. Jesus is the son of God.
 

rossh

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Those verses do not show Jesus to be God. Jesus is the son of God.
Well, is English NOT your first language ?
Yes indeed Yeshua ( His REAL Name ) IS the ONE TRUE FLESH AND BLOOD Son of God, a fact to which I have been striving to show everyone here for some time now.. ALSO HEBREW HAS NO " J " I THEIR ALPHABET!!!!!!!!!

Matt 1:18 Here is how the birth of Yeshua the Messiah took place. When his mother Miryam was engaged to Yosef, before they were married, she was found to be pregnant from the Ruach HaKodesh. 19 Her husband-to-be, Yosef, was a man who did what was right; so he made plans to break the engagement quietly, rather than put her to public shame. 20 But while he was thinking about this, an angel of ADONAI appeared to him in a drea m and said, "Yosef, son of David, do not be afraid to take Miryam home with you as your wife; for what has been conceived in her is from the Ruach HaKodesh. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means `ADONAI saves,'] because he will save his people from their sins." 22 All this happened in order to fulfill what ADONAI had said through the prophet, 23 "The virgin will conceive and bear a son, and they will call him `Immanu El."a (The name means, "God is with us.")
 

rossh

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Well, is English NOT your first language ?
Yes indeed Yeshua ( His REAL Name ) IS the ONE TRUE FLESH AND BLOOD Son of God, a fact to which I have been striving to show everyone here for some time now.. ALSO HEBREW HAS NO " J " I THEIR ALPHABET!!!!!!!!!

Matt 1:18 Here is how the birth of Yeshua the Messiah took place. When his mother Miryam was engaged to Yosef, before they were married, she was found to be pregnant from the Ruach HaKodesh. 19 Her husband-to-be, Yosef, was a man who did what was right; so he made plans to break the engagement quietly, rather than put her to public shame. 20 But while he was thinking about this, an angel of ADONAI appeared to him in a drea m and said, "Yosef, son of David, do not be afraid to take Miryam home with you as your wife; for what has been conceived in her is from the Ruach HaKodesh. 21 She will give birth to a son, and you are to name him Yeshua, [which means `ADONAI saves,'] because he will save his people from their sins." 22 All this happened in order to fulfill what ADONAI had said through the prophet, 23 "The virgin will conceive and bear a son, and they will call him `Immanu El."a (The name means, "God is with us.")
 

YeshuaFan

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You are supposed to be a bright guy, use your brain, based on what you wrote, there is one God and the son is that one God, and the son is not the Father or the HS, it follows that the Father and the HS are not the one God.
Your misunderstanding of the scripture is noted.
Jesus calls the father God, father calls Jesus God, both call Holy Spirit God!
 

OldShepherd

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You are supposed to be a bright guy, use your brain, based on what you wrote, there is one God and the son is that one God, and the son is not the Father or the HS, it follows that the Father and the HS are not the one God.
Your misunderstanding of the scripture is noted.
Wrong! Don't know about you but I have always found it helpful to actually read a post before trying to respond. Are you clairvoyant? I don't recall hearing/seeing anything which said said/implied the Father, unlike the Son and the Holy Spirit, was not God. There is no necessity to list scripture which call or refer to the Father as God. But here is another list.
There is one God! The Holy Spirit is called/referred to as God, in scripture, but the Spirit is not the Father or the Son. Acts 5:3-4, Acts 28:25-27.
Scripture which identify the Holy Spirit as God
[1] Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.
This passage, Act 5:3-4, above, identifies the Holy Spirit as God by equating lying to the H.S. with lying to God.
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[2] Act 28:25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.​
This passage Act 28:25-27, above, identifies the Holy Spirit as YHWH by saying the H.S. spoke words which were spoken by YHWH, in Isa 6:8-10, below.
Isa 6:8 Also I heard the voice of the Lord, [יהוה/YHWH] saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.
9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
10 Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.​
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[3] Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. [O.T. see יהוה/YHWH, Jer 31:33-34]
This passage, Heb 10:15-17, above, identifies the Holy Spirit as YHWH by saying words spoken by YHWH, in Jer 31:33-34, below, were spoken by the H.S.
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, יהוה/YHWH] I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.​
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[4] Heb 3:7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
10 Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. [O.T. יהוה/YHWH, Ps 95:10]
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So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) [O.T. יהוה/YHWH, Deu 1:34-35]
This passage, Heb 3:7-11, above, identifies the Holy Spirit as YHWH by saying words spoken by YHWH in Psa 95:10-11, and Deu 1:34-35, below, were spoken by the Holy Spirit.
Psa 95:10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.
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Deu 1:34 And the LORD [יהוה/YHWH] heard the voice of your words, and was wroth, and sware, saying,
35 Surely there shall not one of these men of this evil generation see that good land, which I sware to give unto your fathers,​
There is one God! The Father, the Son, and the Spirit, all three are called/ referred to as God, in scripture, but each has a distinct mind, will, and self; John 16:13, 1 Cor 12:11, Philippians 2:5, John 5:26, Rom 8:27, Matthew 26:39.
 

johnny guitar

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You are supposed to be a bright guy, use your brain, based on what you wrote, there is one God and the son is that one God, and the son is not the Father or the HS, it follows that the Father and the HS are not the one God.
Your misunderstanding of the scripture is noted.
Your misunderstanding of The Trinity and your strawmen are noted.
 
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