Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?

Yahweh will increase

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No, I want it as the AS IS scriptures tells us BEFORE you ADD ( HWA ) your TWIST ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) to them! Thus those posted ( AS IS ) scriptures still rebukes your twisted view as per 2 Tim.3:16 and the case is closed on your counterfeit Jesus Christ who is just a man and NOT God also! John 1:1-18 & 8:58 and Hebrews 1:6+8 are the AS IS scriptures that PROVES He is both fully God ( the Word of John 1:1 ) and fully human ( the FLESH of John 1:14 ) as a man! So it is CLEARLY you that wants it your way! If the scriptures actually told us that He is just a man, then I would go by that and be satisfied! But John 1:1+14 tells us that the Word " Was God " and then BECAME " Flesh " ( God the Word in the flesh ) as Jesus Christ the God/Man! Yes God/Man as God can NEVER cease to still be God when He becomes flesh as a man! Case closed HWA!
Yeah sure Rod.ney and that is why you refuse to accept Jesus' own words on this below while you want to claim that he is your Lord.

By the way, do you know how many people on this forum will argue the same thing, that they all get their beliefs from the scriptures?




John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they might know you (he was praying to the Father alone) The Only True God and Jesus the Christ whom you have sent".

John 5:26 "For just as The Father has life in himself, so he has given unto the Son to have life in himself also".


John 6:57 "For just as The Living Father has sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats of me shall live because of me".


John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life".

John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved"


Very clearly all of these verses reveal that God sent his Son so that the world through him might believe and be saved and have eternal life.


They also reveal that the reason why we receive eternal life from the Son, is because God gave the Son to have that life within himself and not only for himself but also for us who believe on him through his death and resurrection.

Notice also in John 6:57 above, Jesus said that he lives because of the Father in the same exact way
(just as) that we will live also because of him if we receive his sacrifice for our sins, just as Rod.ney, just as!!!!


In other words, just as we receive our eternal life through Jesus and live because of Jesus as believers, likewise Jesus received his eternal life from God the Father and lives because of God the Father and has that life in himself to be able to give unto us likewise.

For that is exactly what he was saying in John 6:57 and which proves your doctrine as false also and actually these verses agree perfectly with 1 John 5:20 also.


1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.


Therefore the true God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and our eternal life therefore comes from the Father through his Son Jesus Christ and just like the last words of the above verse reveal as well as all of the other verses that I also posted above.
 
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Newbirth

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No, I want it as the AS IS scriptures tells us BEFORE you ADD ( HWA ) your TWIST ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) to them! Thus those posted ( AS IS ) scriptures still rebukes your twisted view as per 2 Tim.3:16 and the case is closed on your counterfeit Jesus Christ who is just a man and NOT God also! John 1:1-18 & 8:58 and Hebrews 1:6+8 are the AS IS scriptures that PROVES He is both fully God ( the Word of John 1:1 ) and fully human ( the FLESH of John 1:14 ) as a man! So it is CLEARLY you that wants it your way! If the scriptures actually told us that He is just a man, then I would go by that and be satisfied! But John 1:1+14 tells us that the Word " Was God " and then BECAME " Flesh " ( God the Word in the flesh ) as Jesus Christ the God/Man! Yes God/Man as God can NEVER cease to still be God when He becomes flesh as a man! Case closed HWA!
If you want as is scripture then post as is scripture... You cannot be posting your made-up rubbish about God-man. The scripture does tell us that Jesus was just a man... you refuse to believe it.
Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
 

rod.ney

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Yeah sure Rod.ney and that is why you refuse to accept Jesus' own words on this below while you want to claim that he is your Lord.

By the way, do you know how many people on this forum will argue the same thing, that they all get their beliefs from the scriptures?




John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they might know you (he was praying to the Father alone) The Only True God and Jesus the Christ whom you have sent".

John 5:26 "For just as The Father has life in himself, so he has given unto the Son to have life in himself also".


John 6:57 "For just as The Living Father has sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats of me shall live because of me".


John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life".

John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved"


Very clearly all of these verses reveal that God sent his Son so that the world through him might believe and be saved and have eternal life.


They also reveal that the reason why we receive eternal life from the Son, is because God gave the Son to have that life within himself and not only for himself but also for us who believe on him through his death and resurrection.

Notice also in John 6:57 above, Jesus said that he lives because of the Father in the same exact way
(just as) that we will live also because of him if we receive his sacrifice for our sins, just as Rod.ney, just as!!!!


In other words, just as we receive our eternal life through Jesus and live because of Jesus as believers, likewise Jesus received his eternal life from God the Father and lives because of God the Father and has that life in himself to be able to give unto us likewise.

For that is exactly what he was saying in John 6:57 and which proves your doctrine as false also and actually these verses agree perfectly with 1 John 5:20 also.


1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.


Therefore the true God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and our eternal life therefore comes from the Father through his Son Jesus Christ and just like the last words of the above verse reveal as well as all of the other verses that I also posted above.

And I posted where John also wrote that the Son of God is also the TRUE God ( because the ONE GOD is a TRINITY ) and here it is AS IS ( HWA )------------------- 1 John 2:20 -

1 John 5:20

New International Version

20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
 

Yahweh will increase

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And I posted where John also wrote that the Son of God is also the TRUE God ( because the ONE GOD is a TRINITY ) and here it is AS IS ( HWA )------------------- 1 John 2:20 -

1 John 5:20​

New International Version​

20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
All you are doing is revealing your own ignorance, confusion and misinterpretation of 1 John 5:20, for again, John was taught by Jesus and heard him pray what he did in John 17:3 well before he ever wrote his letters and therefore they cannot contradict what Jesus taught John nor what he heard him say in John 17:3 either and he isn't contradicting him either.

Notice John is speaking of two individuals in 1 John 5:20, one is The true 'God and the same Only True God that Jesus revealed as the Father in John 17:3 and then Jesus his Son.

Now listen up, for we are in The True God, by being in his Son and we are in the Son when we repent and believe the gospel and when we are then are we also in the Father his God and ours, and therefore while the Father is The Only True God, it is the Father and the Son together through which we receive our eternal life.


That is all that John is saying in 1 John 5:20, for he makes a clear distinction between the True God and his Son in the passage and just like Jesus did in John 17:3 also.


You better get straight on this Rod.ney for the time is running short and there isn't going to be any pre trib rapture to save you either, for God is going to use the tribulation of the persecution of the church to separate false aesthetic "Christianity" from the genuine article.

Furthermore, in 1 Corinthians 15:22-26 and 51-58, Paul very clearly revealed that there will be no rapture of the church until every enemy of God involving sin and disobedience is first put under the feet of Jesus including sin in the believers and only then will the last enemy of death also be put under his feet so that there will be no more physical death for believers ever again.


We all die physically as believers even though we have a clean born again heart, because sin still dwells within us in our flesh and therefore only until the enemy of sin in our flesh is also put under the feet of Jesus, will we continue to die physically but when that enemy is finally put under the feet of Jesus with all of the others, then believers will no longer die physically ever again.


Read Paul's words again in 1 Corinthians 15:22-26 and 51-58, for this is the mystery he is speaking of and why we will not all die and it couldn't be any clearer or easier to understand either, but your false teachers have so corrupted the truth on this that most cannot even see what Paul is revealing in those passages but that will be their own downfall in the end.
 
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johnny guitar

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If you want as is scripture then post as is scripture... You cannot be posting your made-up rubbish about God-man. The scripture does tell us that Jesus was just a man... you refuse to believe it.
Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
And scripture also tells us Jesus is God. You just refuse to believe it.
 

rod.ney

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All you are doing is revealing your own ignorance, confusion and misinterpretation of 1 John 5:20, for again, John was taught by Jesus and heard him pray what he did in John 17:3 well before he ever wrote his letters and therefore they cannot contradict what Jesus taught John nor what he heard him say in John 17:3 either and he isn't contradicting him either.

Notice John is speaking of two individuals in 1 John 5:20, one is The true 'God and the same Only True God that Jesus revealed as the Father in John 17:3 and then Jesus his Son.

Now listen up, for we are in The True God, by being in his Son and we are in the Son when we repent and believe the gospel and when we are then are we also in the Father his God and ours, and therefore while the Father is The Only True God, it is the Father and the Son together through which we receive our eternal life.


That is all that John is saying in 1 John 5:20, for he makes a clear distinction between the True God and his Son in the passage and just like Jesus did in John 17:3 also.


You better get straight on this Rod.ney for the time is running short and there isn't going to be any pre trib rapture to save you either, for God is going to use the tribulation of the persecution of the church to separate false aesthetic "Christianity" from the genuine article.

Furthermore, in 1 Corinthians 15:22-26 and 51-58, Paul very clearly revealed that there will be no rapture of the church until every enemy of God involving sin and disobedience is first put under the feet of Jesus including sin in the believers and only then will the last enemy of death also be put under his feet so that there will be no more physical death for believers ever again.


We all die physically as believers even though we have a clean born again heart, because sin still dwells within us in our flesh and therefore only until the enemy of sin in our flesh is also put under the feet of Jesus, will we continue to die physically but when that enemy is finally put under the feet of Jesus with all of the others, then believers will no longer die physically ever again.


Read Paul's words again in 1 Corinthians 15:22-26 and 51-58, for this is the mystery he is speaking of and why we will not all die and it couldn't be any clearer or easier to understand either, but your false teachers have so corrupted the truth on this that most cannot even see what Paul is revealing in those passages but that will be their own downfall in the end.
No, it is you ( not me ) that is revealing your own ignorance, confusion & misinterpretation of 1 John 5:20 because John 1:1 shows that He " was God " and was " with God " and the Father calls Him " O God " in Heb.1:8, just after He had all of His angels " WORSHIP Him " ( Jesus Christ ) in Heb.1:6! Angels will Never worship anyone OTHER THAN GOD! Jesus " was God " the Word in John 1:1 when He made/created those angels as per John 1:3/Col.1:16! So when ALL things were made/created through/by Him ( John 1:3/Col.1:116 ), He had to have EXISTED BEFORE CREATION and ONLY GOD ( FSHS - Matt.28:19 ) EXISED before creation! Case closed HWA!
 

rod.ney

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If you want as is scripture then post as is scripture... You cannot be posting your made-up rubbish about God-man. The scripture does tell us that Jesus was just a man... you refuse to believe it.
Hebrews 4:15
For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Romans 5:15
But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
FYI again, John 1:1+14 tells us He " Was God " and then became " Flesh " as the man Jesus Christ! So yes indeed God-Man since God the Word can NEVER cease to still be God when He makes that change by becoming INCARNATE as one of us! That's EXACTLY why God the Father called Him " O God " in Heb.1:8! The Father is NOT the one who is coming ( post Trib. ) in Rev.1:8! It is Jesus Christ in His Glorious Immortal Supernatural Flesh & Bone resurrection body to reign for 1000 years before the New earth with no seas gets created in Rev.21"! That verse clearly calls Him the ALMIGHTY! So case closed by this AS IS posted scripture -------------------------------------------

Revelation 1:8

New International Version

8 “I ( Jesus Christ ) am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
 

rod.ney

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Yeah sure Rod.ney and that is why you refuse to accept Jesus' own words on this below while you want to claim that he is your Lord.

By the way, do you know how many people on this forum will argue the same thing, that they all get their beliefs from the scriptures?




John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they might know you (he was praying to the Father alone) The Only True God and Jesus the Christ whom you have sent".

John 5:26 "For just as The Father has life in himself, so he has given unto the Son to have life in himself also".


John 6:57 "For just as The Living Father has sent me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats of me shall live because of me".


John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life".

John 3:17 "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world but that the world through him might be saved"


Very clearly all of these verses reveal that God sent his Son so that the world through him might believe and be saved and have eternal life.


They also reveal that the reason why we receive eternal life from the Son, is because God gave the Son to have that life within himself and not only for himself but also for us who believe on him through his death and resurrection.

Notice also in John 6:57 above, Jesus said that he lives because of the Father in the same exact way
(just as) that we will live also because of him if we receive his sacrifice for our sins, just as Rod.ney, just as!!!!


In other words, just as we receive our eternal life through Jesus and live because of Jesus as believers, likewise Jesus received his eternal life from God the Father and lives because of God the Father and has that life in himself to be able to give unto us likewise.

For that is exactly what he was saying in John 6:57 and which proves your doctrine as false also and actually these verses agree perfectly with 1 John 5:20 also.


1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.


Therefore the true God is the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ and our eternal life therefore comes from the Father through his Son Jesus Christ and just like the last words of the above verse reveal as well as all of the other verses that I also posted above.

Yes indeed His Son is part of the TRINITY - the TRUE GOD and He gives us ETERNAL life by ACCEPTING Him as or Lord God & Savior! Case closed as even Rev.1:8 calls Him ( The one who is to come - Post Trib. in Rev. 19:11-21 & 20:1-6 ) " the Almighty "!!!! ---------------------------

Revelation 1:8​

New International Version​

8 “I ( Jesus Christ ) am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
 

Yahweh will increase

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No, it is you ( not me ) that is revealing your own ignorance, confusion & misinterpretation of 1 John 5:20 because John 1:1 shows that He " was God " and was " with God " and the Father calls Him " O God " in Heb.1:8, just after He had all of His angels " WORSHIP Him " ( Jesus Christ ) in Heb.1:6! Angels will Never worship anyone OTHER THAN GOD! Jesus " was God " the Word in John 1:1 when He made/created those angels as per John 1:3/Col.1:16! So when ALL things were made/created through/by Him ( John 1:3/Col.1:116 ), He had to have EXISTED BEFORE CREATION and ONLY GOD ( FSHS - Matt.28:19 ) EXISED before creation! Case closed HWA!
John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they might know you (Father) The Only True God and Jesus the Christ who you have sent".

John 5:26 "For just as The Father has life in himself, so he has given unto the Son to have life in himself also".

John 6:57 "For just as (IN THE SAME WAY) The Living Father has sent me and I LIVE BECUASE OF THE FATHER, SO HE WHO EATS OF ME WILL LIVE BECAUSE OF ME.

Isaiah 46:9-10



9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,

from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’



Matthew 24:36 "But of that day or hour no man knows, not the angels nor the Son but THE FATHER ONLY"


Good bye Rod.ney!
 

Yahweh will increase

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Yes indeed His Son is part of the TRINITY - the TRUE GOD and He gives us ETERNAL life by ACCEPTING Him as or Lord God & Savior! Case closed as even Rev.1:8 calls Him ( The one who is to come - Post Trib. in Rev. 19:11-21 & 20:1-6 ) " the Almighty "!!!! ---------------------------

Revelation 1:8​

New International Version​

8 “I ( Jesus Christ ) am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.
John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they might know you (Father) The Only True God and Jesus the Christ who you have sent".

John 5:26 "For just as The Father has life in himself, so he has given unto the Son to have life in himself also".

John 6:57 "For just as (IN THE SAME WAY) The Living Father has sent me and I LIVE BECUASE OF THE FATHER, SO HE WHO EATS OF ME WILL LIVE BECAUSE OF ME.

Isaiah 46:9-10



9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,

from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’



Matthew 24:36 "But of that day or hour no man knows, not the angels nor the Son but THE FATHER ONLY"


Good bye Rod.ney!
 

rod.ney

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John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they might know you (Father) The Only True God and Jesus the Christ who you have sent".

John 5:26 "For just as The Father has life in himself, so he has given unto the Son to have life in himself also".

John 6:57 "For just as (IN THE SAME WAY) The Living Father has sent me and I LIVE BECUASE OF THE FATHER, SO HE WHO EATS OF ME WILL LIVE BECAUSE OF ME.

Isaiah 46:9-10



9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,

from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’



Matthew 24:36 "But of that day or hour no man knows, not the angels nor the Son but THE FATHER ONLY"


Good bye Rod.ney!
FYI HWA, the Son is both God and man, and as man He does not know the day & hour that He will fetch His Bride ( the True Church - Born again believers ) because His wedding ( marriage of the Lamb - Rev.19:7 ) is based upon the Traditional Jewish wedding, where the Father tells his son when he can go fetch his bride ( thus only the Father knows)! Thus you still remain 100% rebuked as per 2 Tim.3:16, by all those previous AS IS scriptures that I posted! So yes, Good bye HWA and have a nice life during the 7 years of Dan.9:27, as I will be in heaven for the wedding ( 1 Thess.4:14-17 in conjunction with Rev.19:7-8 ) while all those who have not accepted the True Jesus Christ ( God-Man as per John 1:1+14 & Heb.1:8 ) as their Lord & Savior, get left behind on earth! I will come back with Him at the END of that Tribulation in my fine white Linnen ( Rev.19:8+14 )! Case closed!
 

rod.ney

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John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they might know you (Father) The Only True God and Jesus the Christ who you have sent".

John 5:26 "For just as The Father has life in himself, so he has given unto the Son to have life in himself also".

John 6:57 "For just as (IN THE SAME WAY) The Living Father has sent me and I LIVE BECUASE OF THE FATHER, SO HE WHO EATS OF ME WILL LIVE BECAUSE OF ME.

Isaiah 46:9-10



9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,

from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’



Matthew 24:36 "But of that day or hour no man knows, not the angels nor the Son but THE FATHER ONLY"


Good bye Rod.ney!
FYI HWA, the Son is both God and man, and as man He does not know the day & hour that He will fetch His Bride ( the True Church - Born again believers ) because His wedding ( marriage of the Lamb - Rev.19:7 ) is based upon the Traditional Jewish wedding, where the Father tells his son when he can go fetch his bride ( thus only the Father knows)! Thus you still remain 100% rebuked as per 2 Tim.3:16, by all those previous AS IS scriptures that I posted! So yes, Good bye HWA and have a nice life during the 7 years of Dan.9:27, as I will be in heaven for the wedding ( 1 Thess.4:14-17 in conjunction with Rev.19:7-8 ) while all those who have not accepted the True Jesus Christ ( God-Man as per John 1:1+14 & Heb.1:8 ) as their Lord & Savior, get left behind on earth! I will come back with Him at the END of that Tribulation in my fine white Linnen ( Rev.19:8+14 )! Case closed!
 

Yahweh will increase

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FYI HWA, the Son is both God and man, and as man He does not know the day & hour that He will fetch His Bride ( the True Church - Born again believers ) because His wedding ( marriage of the Lamb - Rev.19:7 ) is based upon the Traditional Jewish wedding, where the Father tells his son when he can go fetch his bride ( thus only the Father knows)! Thus you still remain 100% rebuked as per 2 Tim.3:16, by all those previous AS IS scriptures that I posted! So yes, Good bye HWA and have a nice life during the 7 years of Dan.9:27, as I will be in heaven for the wedding ( 1 Thess.4:14-17 in conjunction with Rev.19:7-8 ) while all those who have not accepted the True Jesus Christ ( God-Man as per John 1:1+14 & Heb.1:8 ) as their Lord & Savior, get left behind on earth! I will come back with Him at the END of that Tribulation in my fine white Linnen ( Rev.19:8+14 )! Case closed!
Sorry Rod.ney but Jesus didn't only say that he doesn't know the day or the hour but that ONLY THE FATHER DOES PERIOD and that makes all the difference in the world Rod.ney, for that means that he doesn't know at all period but that only the Father does know period.

Now let's see what kind of twisting of scriptures you will do with it now to make it fit with your false doctrine?


Also, your other verses cannot negate or contradict what Jesus himself said in John 17:3, John 5:26 or John 6:57 and therefore your running to the comfort of your confusion and misinterpretation about John 1:1-3 constantly, doesn't at all remove what Jesus said or meant in these passages that at all.

You cannot balance out scripture by one verse against another as though you were in a court of law seeking a preponderance of the evidence, for all scripture is inspired by God and if you have contradictions, you are not understand the scriptures correctly and you do have contradictions Rod.ney.
 

johnny guitar

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John 17:3 "This is eternal life, that they might know you (Father) The Only True God and Jesus the Christ who you have sent".

John 5:26 "For just as The Father has life in himself, so he has given unto the Son to have life in himself also".

John 6:57 "For just as (IN THE SAME WAY) The Living Father has sent me and I LIVE BECUASE OF THE FATHER, SO HE WHO EATS OF ME WILL LIVE BECAUSE OF ME.

Isaiah 46:9-10



9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.
10 I make known the end from the beginning,

from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’



Matthew 24:36 "But of that day or hour no man knows, not the angels nor the Son but THE FATHER ONLY"


Good bye Rod.ney!
Indeed, eternal life is to know Father and Son. Can't know one without knowing the other.
 

rod.ney

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Sorry Rod.ney but Jesus didn't only say that he doesn't know the day or the hour but that ONLY THE FATHER DOES PERIOD and that makes all the difference in the world Rod.ney, for that means that he doesn't know at all period but that only the Father does know period.

Now let's see what kind of twisting of scriptures you will do with it now to make it fit with your false doctrine?


Also, your other verses cannot negate or contradict what Jesus himself said in John 17:3, John 5:26 or John 6:57 and therefore your running to the comfort of your confusion and misinterpretation about John 1:1-3 constantly, doesn't at all remove what Jesus said or meant in these passages that at all.

You cannot balance out scripture by one verse against another as though you were in a court of law seeking a preponderance of the evidence, for all scripture is inspired by God and if you have contradictions, you are not understand the scriptures correctly and you do have contradictions Rod.ney.
Sorry HWA, but FYI again, Jesus Christ is Both God and Man ( as per John 1:1+14 & Heb.1:6+8 )! As God ( since He was the Word who made/created all things including humans as per John 1:3/Col.1:16 ) he is called everlasting father in Isaiah 9:6! So once again as a man He does not know when His Father will tell Him to go fetch His bride as per traditional Jewish wedding! As God He knows because the TRINITY knows all! So Here's Isaiah 9:6 AS IS HWA -------------------

Isaiah 9:6​

New International Version​

6 For to us a child ( Jesus ) is born,
to us a son ( Jesus ) is given,
and the government will be on his ( Jesus' ) shoulders.
And he ( Jesus ) will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. ----------------------------------- So yes as God ( the Word of John 1:1 ) the everlasting Father, He knows when it will happen! Case closed and Good Bye again HWA!
 
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Yahweh will increase

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Sorry HWA, but FYI again, Jesus Christ is Both God and Man ( as per John 1:1+14 & Heb.1:6+8 )! As God ( since He was the Word who made/created all things including humans as per John 1:3/Col.1:16 ) he is called everlasting father in Isaiah 9:6! So once again as a man He does not know when His Father will tell Him to go fetch His bride as per traditional Jewish wedding! As God He knows because the TRINITY knows all! So Here's Isaiah 9:6 AS IS HWA -------------------

Isaiah 9:6​

New International Version​

6 For to us a child ( Jesus ) is born,
to us a son ( Jesus ) is given,
and the government will be on his ( Jesus' ) shoulders.
And he ( Jesus ) will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. ----------------------------------- So yes as God ( the Word of John 1:1 ) the everlasting Father, He knows when it will happen! Case closed and Good Bye again HWA!
Sorry Rod.ney, but if Jesus was God, then he would know the day or the hour of his own return as being both God and man but he not only tells us that he doesn't know it, but that ONLY THE FATHER DOES PERIOD and which clearly means that he doesn't know it at all and therefore he cannot be Almighty God Yahweh.

This is really a much bigger problem in your doctrine than what you would like to admit also,

For in Isaiah 46:9-10 below, God uses his omniscient ability to know the end from the beginning as the biggest proof that he alone is God and no one else beside him, here read it yourself, for the more you hear, the more responsible you are for what you hear also and just as Jesus said.

Isaiah 46:
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.

10 I make known the end from the beginning,

from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,

and I will do all that I please.





While you trins want to quote Isaiah 9:6 all of the time, I find it interesting that none of the inspired writers of the NT ever used this verse as applied to Jesus, never the less, trins believe that the Father is not the Son nor the Spirit and the Son in not the Father or the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father or the Son but they are three individual persons belonging to the same Divine substance of God.


Therefore your idea that Isaiah 9:6 doesn't even fit with your doctrine.

The fact is, that God himself called his own human representatives by his own title of "elohim", and he did this in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8-9 and in Isaiah 9:6 and in Psalm 45:6-7 and also in Psalm 82 that Jesus himself used to refute the false accusation of the Jews that he was making himself equal unto God only because he called God his Father.

However, God never called any of them by his actual name Yahweh and he didn't in Isaiah 9:6 either and by the way, all of the children with their particular names written in chapter 6-9 were children born at the time of the prophecy and therefore prophesies had an intended dual fulfilment and all speaking of human beings and not God/men.


The Jews believed that Isaiah 9:6 was originally written about Hezekiah because he was said to be the best ruler that Israel ever had, up until Jesus who in this case Hezekiah was the type of in the prophecy.


The words spoken in Isaiah 9:6 are only applied to the one being spoken of as God's representative and not as meaning that the one who they are applied to in the prophecy is Yahweh God himself and the same goes for all of those and especially also Psalm 45:6-7 which was quoted of Jesus in Hebrews 1:8-9.

For the one being anointed in Psalm 45:6-7 and Hebrews 1:8-9 has a God over him and who anoints him and God doesn't have another God over him.
 

johnny guitar

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Sorry Rod.ney, but if Jesus was God, then he would know the day or the hour of his own return as being both God and man but he not only tells us that he doesn't know it, but that ONLY THE FATHER DOES PERIOD and which clearly means that he doesn't know it at all and therefore he cannot be Almighty God Yahweh.

This is really a much bigger problem in your doctrine than what you would like to admit also,

For in Isaiah 46:9-10 below, God uses his omniscient ability to know the end from the beginning as the biggest proof that he alone is God and no one else beside him, here read it yourself, for the more you hear, the more responsible you are for what you hear also and just as Jesus said.

Isaiah 46:
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.

10 I make known the end from the beginning,

from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,

and I will do all that I please.





While you trins want to quote Isaiah 9:6 all of the time, I find it interesting that none of the inspired writers of the NT ever used this verse as applied to Jesus, never the less, trins believe that the Father is not the Son nor the Spirit and the Son in not the Father or the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father or the Son but they are three individual persons belonging to the same Divine substance of God.


Therefore your idea that Isaiah 9:6 doesn't even fit with your doctrine.

The fact is, that God himself called his own human representatives by his own title of "elohim", and he did this in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8-9 and in Isaiah 9:6 and in Psalm 45:6-7 and also in Psalm 82 that Jesus himself used to refute the false accusation of the Jews that he was making himself equal unto God only because he called God his Father.

However, God never called any of them by his actual name Yahweh and he didn't in Isaiah 9:6 either and by the way, all of the children with their particular names written in chapter 6-9 were children born at the time of the prophecy and therefore prophesies had an intended dual fulfilment and all speaking of human beings and not God/men.


The Jews believed that Isaiah 9:6 was originally written about Hezekiah because he was said to be the best ruler that Israel ever had, up until Jesus who in this case Hezekiah was the type of in the prophecy.


The words spoken in Isaiah 9:6 are only applied to the one being spoken of as God's representative and not as meaning that the one who they are applied to in the prophecy is Yahweh God himself and the same goes for all of those and especially also Psalm 45:6-7 which was quoted of Jesus in Hebrews 1:8-9.

For the one being anointed in Psalm 45:6-7 and Hebrews 1:8-9 has a God over him and who anoints him and God doesn't have another God over him.
The Mighty God of Isaiah 9:6 is The SAME Mighty God as in 10:21 and it AIN'T Hezekiah.
Case closed.
 

OldShepherd

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For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 2:9
But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man
What does Heb 2:9 mean? What was Jesus before "He was made a little lower than the angels?" Jesus said He was with the father "before the world" i.e. creation John 17:5. The angels were part of creation so what was Jesus before the angels?
Might want to read Philippians 2:6-11. That might help you.
 

Newbirth

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What does Heb 2:9 mean? What was Jesus before "He was made a little lower than the angels?" Jesus said He was with the father "before the world" i.e. creation John 17:5.
Certainly, he was not God because God made him a little lower than the angels... The fact that he was with the Father his God tells me that he is not God.
The angels were part of creation so what was Jesus before the angels?
The angels were part of which creation? Please show in Genesis on what day God created the angels in the creation of this world.
Might want to read Philippians 2:6-11. That might help you.
You might want to re-read the scripture that you are referring to.
 
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