johnny guitar
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God ALONE can claim to be ETERNAL.
Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?
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johnny guitar
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You are gods. Meaning NONE of them is ONE with The Father as The Son is.
You are ducking the issue and that is since you say the Father called Jesus God and now an equal part of the Godhead calls men God that carries as much weight as the Father calling Jesus God.
johnny guitar
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Jesus clearly means EXACTLY what I said.
johnny guitar
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NO ONE is called God in Scripture OTHER than God Himself.
Tanachreader
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Who I ask gave John the words to write John 1-14?
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. 7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Jesus the judge and inherit all nations!
22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
8Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.
Tanachreader
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In your religion did John get it wrong?
Please explain.
Moses wrote:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
John wrote:
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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At John 1 the him who is the creator has to be the Father because the life in the him is Jesus and thus the him can not be Jesus too.
Tanachreader
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Never heard that one before.
Is that what your religion teaches?
johnny guitar
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Total nonsense. The Word is The Creator. In HIM(The Word)was LIFE.
Seems like you don't have an answer.
You cannot because it is not there.
Well, show us where the scripture says God is three persons...
They are not each other can only mean they are not the same God. God is a title for our supreme head.
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
God is the head of christ just as you are the head of your wife...Are you and your wife the same entity?
They made it up
Nope, it is more like an assumption
They have five basic misunderstandings
The father...
1 Corinthians 8:6
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Yes and Jesus is his son. If Jesus is God that would mean two Gods
Nope the son is the son of God...
John 10:36
Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
The HS is the spirit of God...
That is called rationalizing your nonsense...
I disagree with your assumptions... You assume the son is God and you assume that the HS is God. You say there is one God then you name three Gods that is foolishness. Who is the one God?
So are you saying not each other means they are each other?
Not each other can apply to any and everything...Not each other can only mean they are not each other...
So where is that written in the scriptures? You are claiming to believe the scriptures so show me where that rubbish is written. You are trying to rationalize your nonsense with non scripture
What you say must make sense, You are not making an analog as I did. You are still claiming Three whats make one what... which is no different from three whos' making one what. You are taking three person Gods and making a trinity one God. The scripture does not teach that sir...
So are you saying they are the same person? You are funny. They are not the other person but they are the same person...lol...
How does that make Jesus God? The devil also existed before Abraham was born, so by your reasoning, the devil must be your God also
Then Jesus is not divine since they are not each other...
So the spirit of Jesus is Jesus? Is that correct?
Dizerner
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He does use "I am" in the present tense—so timelessness.
I've updated my list since the first page:
12 reasons I believe Jesus is God:
1. A mere creation cannot have eternally co-existed with God.
2. A mere creation cannot have co-created the world.
3. A mere creation cannot be enough to atone for an infinite crime against holiness.
4. A mere creation cannot contain the principle of life itself inside it.
5. A mere creation cannot destroy the power of death in itself.
6. A mere creation cannot receive worship from every created thing.
7. A mere creation cannot hold all authority in heaven and earth.
8. A mere creation would have admonitions not to idolize or worship it.
9. A mere creation cannot potentially live inside of all human beings.
10. A mere creation would not even be directly associated with anything divine.
11. A mere creation cannot demand that nothing be loved more than it as it would be commanding idolatry.
12. A mere creation cannot call itself the only absolute way and truth.
At the point you are willing to accept all 12 things, it is virtually indistinguishable for me from God anyway, and Jesus is functioning as God whether you use the term "God" or not. The Father becomes just one order of rank above Jesus with the same attributes, and that in fact corresponds to Trinitarian theology—Father and Son have the same attributes, but the Son submits to the Father.
What is a mere creation?
Hebrews 2:7
Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Who is the passage referring to? Who made him lower than the angels? It appears that you don't believe your bible...If the Father is ranked above Jesus then they are not co equal...If Jesus submits to God then Jesus is not God...
Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
Jesus has a God...
Dizerner
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God took our place.
Where is that written in the scripture? You are saying that God died...God cannot die can he ?
1 Timothy 1:17
Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.
johnny guitar
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You already confessed Jesus is a Divine Person.
Yes, the spirit of Jesus is Jesus, just as the spirit of every man is the man Himself.
By divine I mean Godly..not God...Jesus is a Godly person but he is not God...
Then Jesus is not God... When a man receives the spirit of God does the man become God?
Jn 3:
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
johnny guitar
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Jesus, Man AND God died according to His HUMANITY.
The Son of God, The Son of Man, the eternal stumbling block to all cultists.