Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?

rossh said:
Actually you have not said anything at all. For your information, the Messiah, Yeshua, did not come to save us Gentiles, He came only to Israel.. I guess we just got lucky towards the end, what do you say ?
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ROFLOL, which only means that he only came directly himself to save Israel, whereas he didn't come directly to save the Gentiles but instead he came indirectly through those in Israel who first received the message and believed and which was always God's intention even before the world was dude.

The fact that he only came personally to Israel doesn't mean that he only intended to save Israel alone, for that is ignorant nonsense.


For what did he tell Abraham?


"I will make you a Father of many nations" and right there you see that the plan of God was always to save people from all nations and not just Israel, even though God started with sending Jesus directly unto Israel first and then through those of Israel who believed first, the message went to the Gentiles.


This was always God's plan, even though Israel the nation failed to be that witness to the other nations and that is why God fulfilled it through Christ in the Israelites who believed the gospel first and were saved.
 
johnny guitar said:
It makes them partakers of the Divine nature, by which we can manifest all the Christian virtues listed in the following passages.
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Johnny, you are exposing your ignorance. God's promises make us partakers.
Acts 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 2:39
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Read Peter's words slowly...
... Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature
the list is the means by which we retain the promise... For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
 
Anthony said:
When God promises something that no creature can accomplish, He does it Himself taking the route of a Servant. This difference is misunderstood in Trinitarianism and Unitarianism.
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A servant to whom? Every servant has a master. If God became a servant who is God's master?
 
Anthony said:
No three Divine Personalities - The Father as Ordinal First - and The Son as the Ordinal Last - duality of powers within the same God and not personalities
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isn't that called split personality? Dissociative Identity Disorder (Multiple Personality Disorder)
 
rossh said:
Actually you have not said anything at all. For your information, the Messiah, Yeshua, did not come to save us Gentiles, He came only to Israel.. I guess we just got lucky towards the end, what do you say ?
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He came to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel and not every Tom, Dick and Harry.

Israel, the northern kingdom was in dispersion since their captivity to Assyria. They mingled with heathens and had mixed marriages by which they lost their ethnicity. Only Jews (Judah) maintained their ethnicity who are called natural olive branches while dispersed Israelites became wild olive branches. They were looked down upon as uncircumcised by the Jews. Some of them were made proselytes by the Jews and hence there were synogogs for them to be taught Torah on Shabbats. If one noticed the book of Acts, missionary and Apostle Paul always went to synagogues to preach the good news about the Messiah.

Anyways, the gospel message went to all the 4 corners of the earth to seek the lost sheep of the house of Israel and whoever believed in the true Messiah would realize that they were the children of Abraham (as he was promised that he would be the father of many nations), though being mixed seed in dispersion.

That's why we don't despise anyone who believes in the true Hebraic Mashyach.
 
johnny guitar said:
Your response is irrelevant to the fact ONLY Jesus was conceived by The Holy Spirit.
Jesus is The Head of the Church and PREEMINENT in ALL things???
Wow! He must be God.
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wow, you just said the scripture is irrelevant and posted your opinion to replace the scripture...
Jesus is the firstborn from the dead... men are appointed to die... God cannot die...you lose again...
Colossians 1:18
And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
 
Newbirth said:
Johnny, you are exposing your ignorance. God's promises make us partakers.
Acts 1:4
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Acts 2:33
Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Acts 2:39
For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
Read Peter's words slowly...
... Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature
the list is the means by which we retain the promise... For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
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God ALONE is Divine BY nature and He ALONE possesses the Divine nature.
 
Newbirth said:
you and your son with the same nature...two persons with the same nature

Does that mean you and your son are the same person? According to your understanding, Jesus is his own father.
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According to The Bible Jesus is God.
I and my son are MEN.
The Father and Son are GOD.
 
johnny guitar said:
But Ford workers did NOT build the company.
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but without workers, Ford has no company. Without followers of Jesus there is no church
johnny guitar said:
God built HIS Church.
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Nope, Jesus is still building his church...the church is the congregation of believers...it is not a building. Therefore you are talking about something else. The church is still under construction, is not yet built as you claim.
 
Newbirth said:
but without workers, Ford has no company. Without followers of Jesus there is no church

Nope, Jesus is still building his church...the church is the congregation of believers...it is not a building. Therefore you are talking about something else. The church is still under construction, is not yet built as you claim.
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Jesus Christ built His Church at Pentecost.
Still under construction????Utter nonsense.
 
Newbirth said:
According to the bible, Jesus is the son of God...I can support my claim with scripture saying "Jesus is the son of God" Can you support your claim with scripture saying ..."Jesus is God"?

yes and you are not your son.

Nope, God is a spirit His name is YHWH... Jesus is a man
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Isaiah 9:6; Matthew 1:23; John 1 are but a few of the MANY passages identifying Jesus as God AND Man.
God's final name is found in Matthew 28:19 the ONLY name of God in the Church for 2,000 years.
 
Anthony said:
He came to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel and not every Tom, Dick and Harry.

Israel, the northern kingdom was in dispersion since their captivity to Assyria. They mingled with heathens and had mixed marriages by which they lost their ethnicity. Only Jews (Judah) maintained their ethnicity who are called natural olive branches while dispersed Israelites became wild olive branches. They were looked down upon as uncircumcised by the Jews. Some of them were made proselytes by the Jews and hence there were synogogs for them to be taught Torah on Shabbats. If one noticed the book of Acts, missionary and Apostle Paul always went to synagogues to preach the good news about the Messiah.

Anyways, the gospel message went to all the 4 corners of the earth to seek the lost sheep of the house of Israel and whoever believed in the true Messiah would realize that they were the children of Abraham (as he was promised that he would be the father of many nations), though being mixed seed in dispersion.

That's why we don't despise anyone who believes in the true Hebraic Mashyach.
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Amen!

As you mentioned Paul...

How Long Did Paul Persecute Believers?​

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The Hellenist Messianic Jews were scattered abroad going into regions of Samaria and Judea (Acts 8:1) and then to more distant lands such as Phenice, Cyprus, Cyrene and Antioch (Acts 11:19-20). Paul pursued them to wherever it became known they were (Acts 26:11). In order for Paul to pursue the Hellenistic Messianic Jews to foreign cities, though probably within the province of Syria is meant, two things are implied. First, letters had to have been sent out from Jerusalem to those synagogues outside Judea to beware of this Messianic sect that had so little regard for the Temple, meaning the name of God (cp. Acts 28:21). Secondly, it would have to be known by those in Jerusalem that the Messianic Jews had traveled to such cities. Otherwise it would be like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack.
News had to be brought back to Jerusalem from the foreign city that the Messianic Jews had come to and were spreading the Gospel in their synagogue. Therefore, when the Scripture says Paul went to foreign cities (Acts 26:11), it must be understood that those cities had been alerted by Jerusalem to be on the lookout for this sect, and secondly, the synagogue leaders recognized the Messianic believers and sent word back to Jerusalem so that the proper authorities might bring them there for judgment.

and as we all know Rome did the same and still does, this is why I consider the RCC as still being pagan and idolaters ..
Thank you for your informative and sincere reply post.
 
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