God is the final authority...the scripture is not God.Men wrote the Bible under the direction of The Holy Spirit, thus The Bible is the final authority.
God is the final authority...the scripture is not God.Men wrote the Bible under the direction of The Holy Spirit, thus The Bible is the final authority.
Novatian [A.D. 210-280.] A Treatise of Novatian Concerning the Trinity.Chap. XIIIJesus was made a little lower than the angels... He was not made a God-man ...a God-man would be higher than the angels... Thomas saying My Lord and my God do not make Jesus God...
Nope, we are not Mormons, ONE God in 3 Persons, blessed trinity!Men wrote the bible, so you are saying men decide who their one God is. You decided your one God is actually three Gods.
At the same time, you are liking the posts of those who teach Jesus is God. You liked post#1319...#1295...#1300...#1297...1266 all those imply that Jesus is God.YES!!! no one is arguing over this. The major issues is that He alone, was the only acceptable Sacrifice for all mankind as He alone IS without sin. YES again He IS the flesh and Blood Son of God. We have already spoken on that.
Classic head in the sand denial.Jesus was made a little lower than the angels... He was not made a God-man ...a God-man would be higher than the angels... Thomas saying My Lord and my God do not make Jesus God...
Scripture is given by God and is the final authority for all doctrine.God is the final authority...the scripture is not God.
Because He IS God.At the same time, you are liking the posts of those who teach Jesus is God. You liked post#1319...#1295...#1300...#1297...1266 all those imply that Jesus is God.
Jesus received His worship as very God!Classic head in the sand denial.
Scripture plain and clear Jesus is Lord and God!Scripture is given by God and is the final authority for all doctrine.
TO YOU THEY MAYBE SEEM TO BE SAYING, EVRYTHING/ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT THEM TO SAY, LOL, YESHUA ( at least get His Real Name Right ) never taught that HE is God, He did tell us that God IS His Father,,,At the same time, you are liking the posts of those who teach Jesus is God. You liked post#1319...#1295...#1300...#1297...1266 all those imply that Jesus is God.
yes, very true BUT,,, He was raised from the dead and only after 3 days..Jesus was made a little lower than the angels... He was not made a God-man ...a God-man would be higher than the angels... Thomas saying My Lord and my God do not make Jesus God...
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.Jesus was made a little lower than the angels... He was not made a God-man ...a God-man would be higher than the angels... Thomas saying My Lord and my God do not make Jesus God...
why are we all waiting ???Prove it.... ???
Yeshua calls God His Father....
well, take a look again, there are no Scriptures at all that teach that Yeshua is God.. get your money back form the bookstore..At the same time, you are liking the posts of those who teach Jesus is God. You liked post#1319...#1295...#1300...#1297...1266 all those imply that Jesus is God.
For once in your life I agree with you, Jesus did not teach He was God, instead He proved He was God. Here, I'll give you one example out of many. Luke 5: 20-24, "And seeing their faith, He/Jesus said, Friend, your sins are forgiven." Vs21, "And the Scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone."No. Jesus did not teach he was God.
For once in your life I agree with you, Jesus did not teach He was God, instead He proved He was God. Here, I'll give you one example out of many. Luke 5: 20-24, "And seeing their faith, He/Jesus said, Friend, your sins are forgiven." Vs21, "And the Scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone."For once in your life I agree with you, Jesus did not teach He was God, instead He proved He was God. Here, I'll give you one example out of many. Luke 5: 20-24, "And seeing their faith, He/Jesus said, Friend, your sins are forgiven." Vs21, "And the Scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone."
So tell me JNelson or rossh, did Jesus in your opinion commit blasphemy as the Jews claimed? Secondly, at vs22, Jesus was well aware of the Jews reasoning and Jesus ask them a very simple question in which the answer Jesus gave proves He is God.
Vs23, "Which is easier, to say , Your sins have been forgiven you, or to say rise and walk?" The healing of the body would be more dramatic and verifiable. However, by forgiving the mans sins it affected him spiritually. Ultimately speaking, taking care of the sin problem would solve (in the ultimate sense) the physical problem when Christians receive new bodies.
At vs 24, notice used the term "Son of Man" which is a reference to the Messiah at Daniel 7:13. Moreover, Jesus claimed that the power to heal the man was proof of His divine authority to forgive sins. Jesus' claim to authority which belonged only to deity was the act which caused the religious leaders to launch their organized opposition to Him from that time on. This can clearly been seen at the trial of Jesus at Matthew 26.
IN GOD THE SON,
james
Arhzoo.. God died on the cross then wow! and what happened to Lucifer during those 3 days ( that God was dead ) in the tomb, did he reap revenge upon God and us humans, while God was dead as YOU suppose ??? Man*** YOU have got to be awarded the First Prize!! for that one,, every cults in the entire world will sign you up asap..For once in your life I agree with you, Jesus did not teach He was God, instead He proved He was God. Here, I'll give you one example out of many. Luke 5: 20-24, "And seeing their faith, He/Jesus said, Friend, your sins are forgiven." Vs21, "And the Scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone."
So tell me JNelson or rossh, did Jesus in your opinion commit blasphemy as the Jews claimed? Secondly, at vs22, Jesus was well aware of the Jews reasoning and Jesus ask them a very simple question in which the answer Jesus gave proves He is God.
Vs23, "Which is easier, to say , Your sins have been forgiven you, or to say rise and walk?" The healing of the body would be more dramatic and verifiable. However, by forgiving the mans sins it affected him spiritually. Ultimately speaking, taking care of the sin problem would solve (in the ultimate sense) the physical problem when Christians receive new bodies.
At vs 24, notice used the term "Son of Man" which is a reference to the Messiah at Daniel 7:13. Moreover, Jesus claimed that the power to heal the man was proof of His divine authority to forgive sins. Jesus' claim to authority which belonged only to deity was the act which caused the religious leaders to launch their organized opposition to Him from that time on. This can clearly been seen at the trial of Jesus at Matthew 26.
IN GOD THE SON,
james
John 20:23Novatian [A.D. 210-280.] A Treatise of Novatian Concerning the Trinity.Chap. XIII
Moreover, if, whereas it is the property of none but God to know the secrets of the heart, Christ beholds the secrets of the heart; and if, whereas it belongs to none but God to remit sins, the same Christ remits sins;
Jn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:and if, whereas it is the portion of no man to come from heaven, He descended by coming from heaven; and if, whereas this word can be true of no man, “I and the Father are one,” (Joh_10:30)
Yours and the Novatian clown who wrote that misunderstanding of the scripture is notedChrist alone declared this word out of the consciousness of His divinity; and if, finally, the Apostle Thomas, instructed in all the proofs and conditions of Christ’s divinity, says in reply to Christ, “My Lord and my God;” (Joh_20:28)
That simply means Christ is over all and God blessed him... If Paul was saying Jesus is God he wouldn't have written this...and if, besides, the Apostle Paul says, “Whose are the fathers, and of whom Christ came according to the flesh, who is over all, God blessed for evermore,” (Rom_9:5) writing in his epistles;
Actually the passage shows God raised Jesus from the dead. therefore Jesus is not a God else he could not have died.and if the same apostle declares that he was ordained “an apostle not by men, nor of man, but by Jesus Christ;” (Gal_1:1
Paul was referring to the men preaching the gospel, not that that Jesus was not a man. The same Paul wrote...and Gal_1:12) and if the same contends that he learned the Gospel not from men or by man, but received it from Jesus Christ, reasonably Christ is God.
That was when he was in the father. He was made a man. Lower than the angels. That is not so hard to understand.Therefore, in this respect, one of two things must needs be established. For since it is evident that all things were made by Christ, He is either before all things, since all things were by Him, and so He is justly God;
Nope, the scripture is clear he came out from God and he was man a man, a little lower than the angels.or because He is man He is subsequent to all things, and justly nothing was made by Him.
That is one person putting his own spin on the scripture...Out of ignorance, he is assuming that Jesus is God. The scripture does not teach that Jesus is God and the son of God.But we cannot say that nothing was made by Him, when we observe it written that all things were made by Him. He is not therefore subsequent to all things; that is, He is not man only, who is subsequent to all things, but God also, since God is prior to all things. For He is before all things, because all things are by Him, while if He were only man, nothing would be by Him; or if all things were by Him, He would not be man only, because if He were only man, all things would not be by Him; nay, nothing would be by Him. What, then, do they reply? That nothing is by Him, so that He is man only? How then are all things by Him? Therefore He is not man only, but God also, since all things are by Him; so that we reasonably ought to understand that Christ is not man only, who is subsequent to all things, but God also, since by Him all things were made. For how can you say that He is man only, when you see Him also in the flesh, unless because when both aspects are considered, both truths are rightly believed?
That statement makes does not make Jesus God.The Epistles of Cyprian [A.D. 200-258.] Epistle LIX.3
2. For inasmuch as the Apostle Paul says again, “Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?” (1Co_3:16) — even although love urged us less to bring help to the brethren, yet in this place we must have considered that it was the temples of God which were taken captive, and that we ought not by long inactivity and neglect of their suffering to allow the temples of God to be long captive, but to strive with what powers we can, and to act quickly by our obedience, to deserve well of Christ our Judge and Lord and God.
There is no mention of a God the word in the scripture...Actually, the scripture teaches that God made Jesus Lord and Christ...also God is the head of Christ...A Treatise of Novatian Concerning the Trinity Chap. XVIII
And this is the Word of God. And the Word of God was made flesh, and dwelt among us; and this is Christ. It was not the Father, then, who was a guest with Abraham, but Christ. Nor was it the Father who was seen then, but the Son; and Christ was seen. Rightly, therefore, Christ is both Lord and God, who was not otherwise seen by Abraham, except that as God the Word He was begotten of God the Father before Abraham himself. Moreover, says the Scripture, the same Angel and God visits and consoles the same Hagar when driven with her son from the dwelling of Abraham.
Matt 9:8 “But when the crowds saw this, they were awestruck, and glorified God, who had given such authority to men.”For once in your life I agree with you, Jesus did not teach He was God, instead He proved He was God. Here, I'll give you one example out of many. Luke 5: 20-24, "And seeing their faith, He/Jesus said, Friend, your sins are forgiven." Vs21, "And the Scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this man who speaks blasphemies? Who can forgive sins but God alone."
So tell me JNelson or rossh, did Jesus in your opinion commit blasphemy as the Jews claimed? Secondly, at vs22, Jesus was well aware of the Jews reasoning and Jesus ask them a very simple question in which the answer Jesus gave proves He is God.
Vs23, "Which is easier, to say , Your sins have been forgiven you, or to say rise and walk?" The healing of the body would be more dramatic and verifiable. However, by forgiving the mans sins it affected him spiritually. Ultimately speaking, taking care of the sin problem would solve (in the ultimate sense) the physical problem when Christians receive new bodies.
At vs 24, notice used the term "Son of Man" which is a reference to the Messiah at Daniel 7:13. Moreover, Jesus claimed that the power to heal the man was proof of His divine authority to forgive sins. Jesus' claim to authority which belonged only to deity was the act which caused the religious leaders to launch their organized opposition to Him from that time on. This can clearly been seen at the trial of Jesus at Matthew 26.
IN GOD THE SON,
james
Meaningless garbage. This is on the level of a preschooler arguing with another preschooler in a playground "Neener, neener, neener. You're wrong and I'm right. Am too, Nuh huh." Anybody can make statements like that. They don't mean anything. Can you show any conclusive evidence that anything I posted is wrong? Do you even know what that might be. I doubt it.John 20:23
Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
Is this passage missing from your bible?
Jn 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
Jesus prayed that his apostles be one in the same way. that did not make Peter into John or John into Peter neither does the passage make Jesus God
Yours and the Novatian clown who wrote that misunderstanding of the scripture is noted
That simply means Christ is over all and God blessed him... If Paul was saying Jesus is God he wouldn't have written this...
1 Corinthians 11:3
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Actually the passage shows God raised Jesus from the dead. therefore Jesus is not a God else he could not have died.
Galatians 1:1
Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead
Paul was referring to the men preaching the gospel, not that that Jesus was not a man. The same Paul wrote...
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
If Jesus is not a man then Paul lied to Timothy... and to us because Jesus is still mediating between God and men.
That was when he was in the father. He was made a man. Lower than the angels. That is not so hard to understand.
Nope, the scripture is clear he came out from God and he was man a man, a little lower than the angels.
That is one person putting his own spin on the scripture...Out of ignorance, he is assuming that Jesus is God. The scripture does not teach that Jesus is God and the son of God.
That statement makes does not make Jesus God.
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him
There is no mention of a God the word in the scripture...Actually, the scripture teaches that God made Jesus Lord and Christ...also God is the head of Christ...
If Jesus is God the word and was begotten by God the word, then you have two Gods...Do you have multiple Gods?