Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?

Sorry Rod.ney, but if Jesus was God, then he would know the day or the hour of his own return as being both God and man but he not only tells us that he doesn't know it, but that ONLY THE FATHER DOES PERIOD and which clearly means that he doesn't know it at all and therefore he cannot be Almighty God Yahweh.

This is really a much bigger problem in your doctrine than what you would like to admit also,

For in Isaiah 46:9-10 below, God uses his omniscient ability to know the end from the beginning as the biggest proof that he alone is God and no one else beside him, here read it yourself, for the more you hear, the more responsible you are for what you hear also and just as Jesus said.

Isaiah 46:
9 Remember the former things, those of long ago;
I am God, and there is no other;
I am God, and there is none like me.

10 I make known the end from the beginning,

from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,

and I will do all that I please.





While you trins want to quote Isaiah 9:6 all of the time, I find it interesting that none of the inspired writers of the NT ever used this verse as applied to Jesus, never the less, trins believe that the Father is not the Son nor the Spirit and the Son in not the Father or the Spirit and the Spirit is not the Father or the Son but they are three individual persons belonging to the same Divine substance of God.


Therefore your idea that Isaiah 9:6 doesn't even fit with your doctrine.

The fact is, that God himself called his own human representatives by his own title of "elohim", and he did this in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8-9 and in Isaiah 9:6 and in Psalm 45:6-7 and also in Psalm 82 that Jesus himself used to refute the false accusation of the Jews that he was making himself equal unto God only because he called God his Father.

However, God never called any of them by his actual name Yahweh and he didn't in Isaiah 9:6 either and by the way, all of the children with their particular names written in chapter 6-9 were children born at the time of the prophecy and therefore prophesies had an intended dual fulfilment and all speaking of human beings and not God/men.


The Jews believed that Isaiah 9:6 was originally written about Hezekiah because he was said to be the best ruler that Israel ever had, up until Jesus who in this case Hezekiah was the type of in the prophecy.


The words spoken in Isaiah 9:6 are only applied to the one being spoken of as God's representative and not as meaning that the one who they are applied to in the prophecy is Yahweh God himself and the same goes for all of those and especially also Psalm 45:6-7 which was quoted of Jesus in Hebrews 1:8-9.

For the one being anointed in Psalm 45:6-7 and Hebrews 1:8-9 has a God over him and who anoints him and God doesn't have another God over him.
Sorry again HWA, but Jesus is BOTH God and Man ( as per John 1:1+14 & Heb.1:6+8 ) and as Man His Father will tell Him when it is time to go fetch His bride as per 1 Thess.4:14-17! Jesus is the EVERLASTING Father ( as per Isaiah 9:6 - Not God the Father or God the Holy Spirit ) of all the humans He made/created as per John 1:3/Col.1:16! The one GOD of the scriptures consists of God the Father, God the Word ( Jesus the Son/Child or Mighty God & everlasting Father of Isaiah 9:6 - the Almighty of Rev.1:8, who is to come again to REIGN Post Trib. as per Matt.24:29-30/Rev.19:11-21& 20:1-6 ), and God the Holy Spirit ( or God the Holy Ghost ) ! Case closed and good bye HWA!
 
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Sorry again HWA, but Jesus is BOTH God and Man ( as per John 1:1+14 & Heb.1:6+8 ) and as Man His Father will tell Him when it is time to go fetch His bride as per 1 Thess.4:14-17! Jesus is the EVERLASTING Father ( as per Isaiah 9:6 - Not God the Father or God the Holy Spirit ) of all the humans He made/created as per John 1:3/Col.1:16! The one GOD of the scriptures consists of God the Father, God the Word ( Jesus the Son/Child or Mighty God & everlasting Father of Isaiah 9:6 - the Almighty of Rev.1:8, who is to come again to REIGN Post Trib. as per Matt.24:29-30/Rev.19:11-21& 20:1-6 ), and God the Holy Spirit ( or God the Holy Ghost ) ! Case closed and good bye HWA!
No, but rather this name and title given to the child was to reveal God ruling through him and the promise of God was unto David and his anointed line of descendants that they would rule his kingdom forever and Hezekiah being the best of them as the scriptures state was a type of the rule of Christ who was coming after him to reign forever.


As far as Isaiah 7:14, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, if one reads the full context of chapters 7-8, that the name Emmanuel was given to a child that would be born in that generation and whose name was a sign and message from God that the conspiracy of the two Kings "Pekah and Rezin "mentioned at the beginning of chapter 7 wouldn't succeed, because God would be with Judah, "El emmanu" and as per chapter 8:10.

Therefore it is proven that this prophecy had a duel fulfillment also and that the name "Emmanuel" was given as a sign and that the sign was a message to the King and people of Judah that the evil that those two Kings would be thwarted by God because God would be "with us" Judah and as per chapter 8:8-10.

You trins disregard the context with many of these verses but concerning the prophecy of sign in the name of Emmanuel "God is with us" in Isaiah 7:14, I have copied and pasted the rest of the context that reveals this below.

Isaiah 8:9 Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.

10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us "El emmanu".





In the above which is the context of the Emmanuel prophecy of chapter 7:14, Isaiah is taunting the two Kings Rezin and Pekah and telling them, bring on your conspiracy against Aram and the people of Judah, for it will not succeed because "God is with us" "El emmanu".

Read it closely Rod.ney because this is a fact and all of the names of the children mentioned in those prophesies were given to children that would be born at that time and they were all given as signs from God for what he would himself be doing within men.




Therefore the name Emmanuel was given first to Isaiah son and the Hebrew word for "virgin" can mean either a true virgin or a young maiden as was Isaiah's wife in the first fulfillment of this prophecy and as a true virgin as per the final fulfillment in the birth of Jesus.

However, it doesn't mean that either Isaiah's son or Jesus was God but only that their births were a sign and message from God, that through them he would be with his people.
 
I don't need to reread Philp 2:6-11.
of course you do.
I can read it in more than one language including the original. But you can't.
That does not mean you can understand what you read. I understand the passage, you don't.
I think I can say without concern about contradiction you will deliberately mistranslate at least one word, possibly two, to make it say what you want it to.
What you think is of no consequence, since you lack understanding.
Why did you not address the other part of my response? The angels were part of which creation? Please show in Genesis on what day God created the angels in the creation of this world.
 
No, but rather this name and title given to the child was to reveal God ruling through him and the promise of God was unto David and his anointed line of descendants that they would rule his kingdom forever and Hezekiah being the best of them as the scriptures state was a type of the rule of Christ who was coming after him to reign forever.


As far as Isaiah 7:14, it doesn't take a rocket scientist, if one reads the full context of chapters 7-8, that the name Emmanuel was given to a child that would be born in that generation and whose name was a sign and message from God that the conspiracy of the two Kings "Pekah and Rezin "mentioned at the beginning of chapter 7 wouldn't succeed, because God would be with Judah, "El emmanu" and as per chapter 8:10.

Therefore it is proven that this prophecy had a duel fulfillment also and that the name "Emmanuel" was given as a sign and that the sign was a message to the King and people of Judah that the evil that those two Kings would be thwarted by God because God would be "with us" Judah and as per chapter 8:8-10.

You trins disregard the context with many of these verses but concerning the prophecy of sign in the name of Emmanuel "God is with us" in Isaiah 7:14, I have copied and pasted the rest of the context that reveals this below.

Isaiah 8:9 Associate yourselves, O ye people, and ye shall be broken in pieces; and give ear, all ye of far countries: gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces; gird yourselves, and ye shall be broken in pieces.

10 Take counsel together, and it shall come to nought; speak the word, and it shall not stand: for God is with us "El emmanu".




In the above which is the context of the Emmanuel prophecy of chapter 7:14, Isaiah is taunting the two Kings Rezin and Pekah and telling them, bring on your conspiracy against Aram and the people of Judah, for it will not succeed because "God is with us" "El emmanu".


Read it closely Rod.ney because this is a fact and all of the names of the children mentioned in those prophesies were given to children that would be born at that time and they were all given as signs from God for what he would himself be doing within men.




Therefore the name Emmanuel was given first to Isaiah son and the Hebrew word for "virgin" can mean either a true virgin or a young maiden as was Isaiah's wife in the first fulfillment of this prophecy and as a true virgin as per the final fulfillment in the birth of Jesus.

However, it doesn't mean that either Isaiah's son or Jesus was God but only that their births were a sign and message from God, that through them he would be with his people.
Correction on the above sentence in the bold blue, I meant to say "Ahaz" in place of the word "Aram" in the bold red.
 
There was/is no "new belief" not supported by earlier works.
Dialogue of Justin, Philosopher and Martyr, with Trypho, a Jew. Chap. CXV
I proceed now to show that the revelation made among your people in Babylon in the days of Jesus (Joshua) the priest, was an announcement of the things to be accomplished by our Priest, who is God, and Christ the Son of God the Father of all.

Chap. CXXVI. — The Various Names of Christ According to Both Natures. It Is Shown That He Is God, and Appeared to the Patriarchs.

“But if you knew, Trypho,” continued I, “who He is that is called at one time the Angel of great counsel,285 and a Man by Ezekiel, and like the Son of man by Daniel, and a Child by Isaiah, and Christ and God to be worshipped by David, and Christ and a Stone by many, and Wisdom by Solomon, and Joseph and Judah and a Star by Moses, and the East by Zechariah, and the Suffering One and Jacob and Israel by Isaiah again, and a Rod, and Flower, and Corner-Stone, and Son of God, you would not have blasphemer Him who has now come, and been born, and suffered, and ascended to heaven; who shall also come again, and then your twelve tribes shall mourn. For if you had understood what has been written by the prophets, you would not have denied that He was God, Son of the only, unbegotten, unutterable God.

Irenaeus [A.D. 120-202.] Against Heresies. Book I.Chap. VII. [Student of Polycarp, student of John]

5. Very properly, then, did he say, “In the beginning was the Word,” for He was in the Son; “and the Word was with God,” for He was the beginning; “and the Word was God,” of course, for that which is begotten of God is God.

Irenaeus Against Heresies. Book III. Chap. XXI.

4. Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son; and ye shall call His name Emmanuel. Butter and honey shall He eat: before He knows or chooses out things that are evil, He shall exchange them for what is good; for before the child knows good or evil, He shall not consent to evil, that He may choose that which is good.” (Isa_7:10-17) Carefully, then, has the Holy Ghost pointed out, by what has been said, His birth from a virgin, and His essence, that He is God (for the name Emmanuel indicates this). And He shows that He is a man, when He says, “Butter and honey shall He eat;” and in that He terms Him a child also, [in saying,] “before He knows good and evil;” for these are all the tokens of a human infant. But that He “will not consent to evil, that He may choose that which is good,” — this is proper to God; that by the fact, that He shall eat butter and honey, we should not understand that He is a mere man only, nor, on the other hand, from the name Emmanuel, should suspect Him to be God without flesh.

Clement of Alexandria The Instructor [Paedagogus.] Book I. Chap. II.

Now, O you, my children, our Instructor is like His Father God, whose son He is, sinless, blameless, and with a soul devoid of passion; God in the form of man, stainless, the minister of His Father’s will, the Word who is God, who is in the Father, who is at the Father’s right hand, and with the form of God is God.
Excellent answer.
 
of course you do.
That does not mean you can understand what you read. I understand the passage, you don't.
What you think is of no consequence, since you lack understanding.
Why did you not address the other part of my response? The angels were part of which creation? Please show in Genesis on what day God created the angels in the creation of this world.
I'm not here to play silly words games with you. If you think I am in error state how or shut up.
 
I'm not here to play silly words games with you. If you think I am in error state how or shut up.
Apparently, you like playing sill games...for the third time... The angels were part of which creation? Please show in Genesis on what day God created the angels in the creation of this world.
 
No, johnny Jesus tells us his father is God, and you refuse to believe it.
Is Jesus God's one and only son in exactly the same way you are the son of your father? When Jesus said that Satan was the father of some of the Jews, was that true in same way that they were sons of their human father?
 
Paul did not believe or teach that his God was Jesus Christ. He was Jew just like all first Christians were.

This is what Paul believed and taught:

Romans 3:29 Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also the God of people of the nations? Yes, also of people of the nations. 30 Since God is one, he will declare circumcised people righteous as a result of faith and uncircumcised people righteous by means of their faith.
... 15:5 Now may the God who supplies endurance and comfort grant you to have among yourselves the same mental attitude that Christ Jesus had, 6 so that unitedly you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 8:5 For even though there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” 6 there is actually to us one God, the Father, from whom all things are and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and we through him.
... 15:24 Next, the end, when he hands over the Kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.

2 Corinthians 1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort, 4 who comforts us in all our trials so that we may be able to comfort others in any sort of trial with the comfort that we receive from God.
... 11:31 The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, the One who is to be praised forever, knows I am not lying.

Galatians 1:1 Paul, an apostle, neither from men nor through a man, but through Jesus Christ and God the Father, who raised him up from the dead (...) 3 May you have undeserved kindness and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. 4 He gave himself for our sins so that he might rescue us from the present wicked system of things according to the will of our God and Father, 5 to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Ephesians 1:3 Praised be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, for he has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in union with Christ, 4 as he chose us to be in union with him before the founding of the world, that we should be holy and unblemished before him in love. 5 For he foreordained us to be adopted as his own sons through Jesus Christ, according to his good pleasure and will, 6 in praise of his glorious undeserved kindness that he kindly bestowed on us by means of his beloved one. 7 By means of him we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one, yes, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his undeserved kindness.
... 4:4 One body there is, and one spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
... 5:20 always giving thanks to our God and Father for everything in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
... 6:23 May the brothers have peace and love with faith from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:11 and every tongue should openly acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
... 4:19 In turn my God will fully supply all your need according to his riches in glory by means of Christ Jesus. 20 Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

Colossians 1:3 We always thank God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, when we pray for you,
... 3:17 Whatever it is that you do in word or in deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, thanking God the Father through him.

1 Thessalonians 1:1 Paul, Sil·vaʹnus, and Timothy, to the congregation of the Thes·sa·loʹni·ans in union with God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: May you have undeserved kindness and peace. 2 We always thank God when we mention all of you in our prayers, 3 for we continually remember your faithful work, your loving labor, and your endurance because of your hope in our Lord Jesus Christ in the presence of our God and Father.
... 3:11 Now may our God and Father himself and our Lord Jesus make a way for us to come to you. 12 Moreover, may the Lord cause you to increase, yes, to abound in love for one another and for all, just as we do for you, 13 so that he may make your hearts firm, blameless in holiness before our God and Father at the presence of our Lord Jesus with all his holy ones.

A true Christian seeks and clings to the truth; he does not fool himself with vain reasoning. Did Paul believe that Jesus Christ was his God?
Yep. He said so in Acts 17:24.
 
Sorry again, but that is vain reasoning too.

I can not have a God who I can consider my brother at the same time.
I can not be a son of God and have another Son of God as my God,
and I can not be a son of God if Jesus was God, because Jesus is another (the Most Important) Son of God,
so I can only be his brother, while my Father is his own Father too.

Should I stop believing Jesus teachings and normal reasoning to start following your own reasoning instead?
Jesus Christ is The ONE and ONLY Son of God.
Another son of God????From where do you derive this trash???
 
Is Jesus God's one and only son in exactly the same way you are the son of your father?
Did I make that claim somewhere? What does my father have to do with anything here?
When Jesus said that Satan was the father of some of the Jews, was that true in same way that they were sons of their human father?
Did I make that claim somewhere?
Please explain what that has to do with Jesus saying God is his father?
Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Since Mary said she had not known a man, who do you suppose is Jesus Father?
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
 
Did I make that claim somewhere? What does my father have to do with anything here?

Did I make that claim somewhere?
Please explain what that has to do with Jesus saying God is his father?
Luke 1:35
And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
Since Mary said she had not known a man, who do you suppose is Jesus Father?
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,
27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.
28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.
29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.
30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?
Jesus' Father is God.
What else is new???
 
Is Jesus God's one and only son in exactly the same way you are the son of your father? When Jesus said that Satan was the father of some of the Jews, was that true in same way that they were sons of their human father?
Is the Father The Only True God in the same way as Jesus is The Only Begotten Son of God?

Can there be another Only Begotten Son besides Jesus and if not, what does that tell you about the Father being The Only True God as per Jesus in John 17:3?
 
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