Did Jesus teach he was GOD himself?

The Father would NOT have said " US & Our " in Gen.1:26 if He alone ( and not God the Word & God the Holy Spirit also ) was to create Adam in their ( FSHS ) image!
Neh 9:6, Gen 1:27, Deut 32:6, Malach 2:11, etc., says He was. Gen 1:1-25 shows He spoke to creation and the natural elements.

He said " Us & Our "! So the NT is Spot on to say " All things were Made/Created THROUGH/BY God the Word/Son of John 1:1
Yes, God's spoken word created all including Jesus in the womb.

in John 1:3/Col.1:16! Thus you are 100% WRONG about what the OT teaches! The US & Our ( 3 Divine Persons - FSHS of Matt.28:19 ) were all involved with creation! Case closed!
Rotfl... Tanakh debunks that. ;)
 
#1 - Matt.1:20& Luke 1:32-35 says the Holy Spirit will come upon her and the power of the most High ( God the Father ) will cause her to conceive as a Virgin! That exactly why Joseph was going to privately put her away because he wrongfully though that some other human man caused her to get pregnant!
So you have a mamzer born out of marriage. That is sad.

Thus GOD sent an angel of the Lord to Joseph in a dream to tell him that God the Father & Holy Spirit caused the pregnancy as so stated in Matt.1:18-25 ----------------------------

Matthew 1:18-25​

New International Version​

Joseph Accepts Jesus as His Son​

18 This is how the birth of Jesus the Messiah came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be pregnant through the Holy Spirit. 19 Because Joseph her husband was faithful to the law, and yet did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
20 But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21 She will give birth to a son ( the Child mentioned as " Mighty God " in Isaiah 9:6,
What's interesting is that Jesus was never called any of these names and we have one Father, Malach 2:10, not two. ;)

that calls Him God the Word in John 1:1 before becoming flesh in John 1:14, Jewjitzu )
Yes, the Father is as Jesus said so, John 20:17, and God isn't flesh, Mat 16:17.

, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.” ( by shedding His Sin free Blood on the cross - the cut off mentioned in Dan.9:26. Jewjitzu )
No blood mentioned here.

22 All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”). ( as per Isaiah 7:14, Jewjitzu )
Like in Zechariah 8:23. ;)

24 When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25 But he did not consummate their marriage ( have sex to produce Jesus' half brothers & sisters - Jewjitzu ) until she gave birth to a son. ( the one mentioned in Isaiah 9:6, Jewjitzu ) And he gave him the name Jesus. -------------------- Thus all the rest of your WRONG say so needs no response as #1 takes care of it! And yes I know you have heard it all before, BUT I posted GOD's say so in His inspired scriptures and you refuse to believe and you will find out just how wrong your say so ( man's word ) is on your judgment day!
Don't forget, Jesus will bow along with you.
 
Neh 9:6, Gen 1:27, Deut 32:6, Malach 2:11, etc., says He was. Gen 1:1-25 shows He spoke to creation and the natural elements.


Yes, God's spoken word created all including Jesus in the womb.


Rotfl... Tanakh debunks that. ;)
#1 - Again, the " US & OUR " ( FSHS of Matt.28:19 ) in Gen.1:26 created Adam and it was done THROUGH God the Word/Son of John 1:1 as per John 1:3! ----------- #2 - Only Jesus' body ( for the incarnation of God the Word of John 1:1 in John 1:14 ) was created in Mary's womb, since He was already EYTERNAL as God the Word in John 1:1 BEFORE He became " Flesh " ( God the Word in the Flesh - or the God-man then called Jesus Christ )) in John 1:14! -------------------- #3 - FYI again, the OT or your Tanakh says " US & OUR " in Gen.1:36 for the creation of Adam! " Let Us ( not just the Father Jewjitzu ) create man in OUR ( Not just the Father Jewjitzu ) image " ! Case closed Jewjitzu!
 
So you have a mamzer born out of marriage. That is sad.


What's interesting is that Jesus was never called any of these names and we have one Father, Malach 2:10, not two. ;)


Yes, the Father is as Jesus said so, John 20:17, and God isn't flesh, Mat 16:17.


No blood mentioned here.


Like in Zechariah 8:23. ;)


Don't forget, Jesus will bow along with you.
#1 - Tell that to the Father & Holy Spirit on your judgment day, as they caused the Virgen Mary to get pregnant and NOT a human male! -- #2 - But what is FACT is that Isaiah 9:6 called that child ( Jesus Christ ) exactly those names ( " Mighty God " & " Everlasting Father " )! ----------- #3 - Yes the Father is the Father of His human body that was conceived in the Virgen Mary's womb, BUT He was God the Word ( Existing Eternally before that incarnation of flesh ) in John 1:1 and part of the " US & OUR " in Gen.1:26! Yes God the Word became Flesh as per GOD's say so in John 1:1+14! -------------- #4 - Thus you must think that His body shed NO Blood when He was cut off ( Dan,9:26 ) by crucifixion on Nisan ( Thursday - April 3rd 33 AD ) just AFTER that 7+62 = 69 sevens once the count down STARTED by the Decree ( Dan.9:25 ) issued by King Aratxerxes to Nehemiah on Nisan in the 20th year of his reign ( Nisan of 444 BC ), as per Nehemiah chapter two for the rebuilding & restoring of Jerusalem as mentioned in Dan.9:24! - ---- #5 - Zech 8:23 DOES NOT call that Jew ( that God was with ) " Immanuel " directly, BUT Matt.1:23 and Isaiah 7:14 calls that Child to be born in Isaiah 9:6 " Immanuel " because He is the " Mighty God "! Yes since Jesus is BOTH God and man ( as per John 1:1+14 ), as man He can bow! You will bow to Him on your judgment day when He judges you! Case closed!
 
#1 - Again, the " US & OUR " ( FSHS of Matt.28:19 ) in Gen.1:26 created Adam and it was done THROUGH God the Word/Son of John 1:1 as per John 1:3! ----------- #2 - Only Jesus' body ( for the incarnation of God the Word of John 1:1 in John 1:14 ) was created in Mary's womb, since He was already EYTERNAL as God the Word in John 1:1 BEFORE He became " Flesh " ( God the Word in the Flesh - or the God-man then called Jesus Christ )) in John 1:14! -------------------- #3 - FYI again, the OT or your Tanakh says " US & OUR " in Gen.1:36 for the creation of Adam! " Let Us ( not just the Father Jewjitzu ) create man in OUR ( Not just the Father Jewjitzu ) image " ! Case closed Jewjitzu!
Again, Tanakh refutes any notion of persons in a godhead, Gen 1:27, Neh 9:6, Deut 32:6, Malachi 2:10, etc. The Father's spoken word did it all.

As explained, man's physical image comes from the earth, water, air, fire, etc., and his spiritual image from God. Even the NT acknowledges God's invisible image.
 
#1 - Tell that to the Father & Holy Spirit on your judgment day, as they caused the Virgen Mary to get pregnant and NOT a human male! -
There's only one spirit - the Father. If there is no human father, then Jesus ain't the Messiah. Physical descent was promised to Abraham and David, Genesis 15:4-5, Isaiah 11:1, Psalm 132:11, Psalm 89.

- #2 - But what is FACT is that Isaiah 9:6 called that child ( Jesus Christ ) exactly those names ( " Mighty God " & " Everlasting Father " )! ----------- #3 - Yes the Father is the Father of His human body that was conceived in the Virgen Mary's womb, BUT He was God the Word ( Existing Eternally before that incarnation of flesh ) in John 1:1 and part of the " US & OUR " in Gen.1:26! Yes God the Word became Flesh as per GOD's say so in John 1:1+14! -------------- #4 - Thus you must think that His body shed NO Blood when He was cut off ( Dan,9:26 ) by crucifixion on Nisan ( Thursday - April 3rd 33 AD ) just AFTER that 7+62 = 69 sevens once the count down STARTED by the Decree ( Dan.9:25 ) issued by King Aratxerxes to Nehemiah on Nisan in the 20th year of his reign ( Nisan of 444 BC ), as per Nehemiah chapter two for the rebuilding & restoring of Jerusalem as mentioned in Dan.9:24!
No mention of sacrificial blood.

- ---- #5 - Zech 8:23 DOES NOT call that Jew ( that God was with ) " Immanuel " directly,
It says God is with us. Same concept, not that we are divine.

BUT Matt.1:23 and Isaiah 7:14 calls that Child to be born in Isaiah 9:6 " Immanuel " because He is the " Mighty God "!
Jesus was never called Mighty God, nor Immanuel. And Malachi 2:10 acknowledges One Father and One Creator, not 3. Jesus can't be the Father nor Creator. He said so himself, John 20:17, Mat 16:17.

Yes since Jesus is BOTH God and man ( as per John 1:1+14 ), as man He can bow!
And he will bow to the true God, the Father.

You will bow to Him on your judgment day when He judges you! Case closed!
Get yourself two sets of knee pads for you and your messiah.
 
Again, Tanakh refutes any notion of persons in a godhead, Gen 1:27, Neh 9:6, Deut 32:6, Malachi 2:10, etc. The Father's spoken word did it all.

As explained, man's physical image comes from the earth, water, air, fire, etc., and his spiritual image from God. Even the NT acknowledges God's invisible image.
If it refutes it ( which it really does NOT, Jewjitzue ) then tell us on CARM who those others included in the " US & OUR " said by God the Father in Gen.1:26, are ( who ceated Adam ) if NOT the Word/Son & the Holy Spirit! Can't wait to see that one since ONLY GOD was involved with creation of All things!
 
There's only one spirit - the Father. If there is no human father, then Jesus ain't the Messiah. Physical descent was promised to Abraham and David, Genesis 15:4-5, Isaiah 11:1, Psalm 132:11, Psalm 89.


No mention of sacrificial blood.


It says God is with us. Same concept, not that we are divine.


Jesus was never called Mighty God, nor Immanuel. And Malachi 2:10 acknowledges One Father and One Creator, not 3. Jesus can't be the Father nor Creator. He said so himself, John 20:17, Mat 16:17.


And he will bow to the true God, the Father.


Get yourself two sets of knee pads for you and your messiah.
3 Spirits ( FSHS of Matt.28:19 ) as GOD said " US & OUR " for the creation of Adam in Gen.1:26! Jesus mentions His sacrificial Blood at the Last supper with His Apostles! The wine ( Matt.26:28 ) represents His blood that would be shed on the cross ( the cut off mentioned in Dan.9:26 Jewjitzu ) for the remission of our SINS! Again Jesus was Directly called " Mighty God " in Isaiah 9:6 and " Immanuel " in Isaiah 7:14 in conjunction with Matt.1:23! Yes as man He will( bow ), but not as God the Word - so remember He is Both God and man as per John 1:1+14! You will bow to Him on your Judgment day! Case closed Jewjitzu!
 
If it refutes it ( which it really does NOT, Jewjitzue ) then tell us on CARM who those others included in the " US & OUR " said by God the Father in Gen.1:26, are ( who ceated Adam ) if NOT the Word/Son & the Holy Spirit! Can't wait to see that one since ONLY GOD was involved with creation of All things!
Aren't you listening? Who did God speak to in Genesis 1:1-25? Creation.

In Genesis 1:26-27, God speaks to the earth, fire, wind, air, etc., all which are creative elements, which are angels as well, ie, Psalm 104:3-4, Psalm 78:49, for their physical image. God is not visible, ie, no physical image, but spiritual. Those are the us and our, and the images - physical and spiritual.

Again, Tanakh is clear only the Father created, Deut 32:6, exclusively alone, Neh 9:6, and He is the only Creator and Father, Malach 2:10.
 
3 Spirits ( FSHS of Matt.28:19 ) as GOD said " US & OUR " for the creation of Adam in Gen.1:26! Jesus mentions His sacrificial Blood at the Last supper with His Apostles! The wine ( Matt.26:28 ) represents His blood that would be shed on the cross ( the cut off mentioned in Dan.9:26 Jewjitzu ) for the remission of our SINS! Again Jesus was Directly called " Mighty God " in Isaiah 9:6 and " Immanuel " in Isaiah 7:14 in conjunction with Matt.1:23! Yes as man He will( bow ), but not as God the Word - so remember He is Both God and man as per John 1:1+14! You will bow to Him on your Judgment day! Case closed Jewjitzu!
Rotfl... you're wasting your time worshipping a man that isn't God, who acknowledges that fact, and that has knees and a tongue that will bow next to you in worship of my God. There's no way around it.
 
Aren't you listening? Who did God speak to in Genesis 1:1-25? Creation.

In Genesis 1:26-27, God speaks to the earth, fire, wind, air, etc., all which are creative elements, which are angels as well, ie, Psalm 104:3-4, Psalm 78:49, for their physical image. God is not visible, ie, no physical image, but spiritual. Those are the us and our, and the images - physical and spiritual.

Again, Tanakh is clear only the Father created, Deut 32:6, exclusively alone, Neh 9:6, and He is the only Creator and Father, Malach 2:10.
Such nonsense! The US & Our are the Father, Son & Holy Spirit! The Son is the Image of the invisible GOD as ( Col.1:15 ) clearly tells us so! GOD never spoke ( Talked to nonpersonal elements that He created for building blocks ! Case closed! ------------------ ---

The Supremacy of the Son of God​

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
 
Such nonsense! The US & Our are the Father, Son & Holy Spirit! The Son is the Image of the invisible GOD as ( Col.1:15 ) clearly tells us so! GOD never spoke ( Talked to nonpersonal elements that He created for building blocks ! Case closed! ------------------ ---
God spoke singularly, vayomer, in Gen 1:26. It should have been plural otherwise. ;)

The Supremacy of the Son of God​

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him. 17 He is before all things, and in him all things hold together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. 19 For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, 20 and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross.

21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ’s physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation— 23 if you continue in your faith, established and firm, and do not move from the hope held out in the gospel. This is the gospel that you heard and that has been proclaimed to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, have become a servant.
What kind of image is invisible?
 
God spoke singularly, vayomer, in Gen 1:26. It should have been plural otherwise. ;)


What kind of image is invisible?
#1 - God the Father spoke of himself & 2 others ( God the Word/Son & God the Holy Spirit ) in Gen.1:26 because He said " US & OUR " for creating Adam! ---------------------------- #2 - Read the scriptures ( Col.1:15 ) that I posted Jewjitzu, FYI it CLEARLY says " He ( Jesus Christ ) is the image of the invisible God " ------------------ Case closed on your nonsense!
 
#1 - God the Father spoke of himself & 2 others ( God the Word/Son & God the Holy Spirit ) in Gen.1:26 because He said " US & OUR " for creating Adam!
No, He referred to himself in v27, singular.

---------------------------- #2 - Read the scriptures ( Col.1:15 ) that I posted Jewjitzu, FYI it CLEARLY says " He ( Jesus Christ ) is the image of the invisible God " ------------------ Case closed on your nonsense!
An invisible image is invisible, not physical.
 
No, He referred to himself in v27, singular.


An invisible image is invisible, not physical.
#1 - FYI again, He said " US & OUR " ( FSHS ) will be involved in the creation of Adam, as per verse 26! Thus your say so about verse 27 does NOT negate that fact! --------------- #2 - Tell that to God the Holy Spirit, who inspired the Apostle Paul ( who used to be a Jew of Judaism like you Jewjitzu ) to write that scripture right here ----------------

Colossians 1:15​

New International Version​

The Supremacy of the Son of God​

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
 
#1 - FYI again, He said " US & OUR " ( FSHS ) will be involved in the creation of Adam, as per verse 26! Thus your say so about verse 27 does NOT negate that fact!
Like I said, the creation elements along with God formed man. No other persons in a godhead were involved.

--------------- #2 - Tell that to God the Holy Spirit, who inspired the Apostle Paul ( who used to be a Jew of Judaism like you Jewjitzu ) to write that scripture right here ----------------

Colossians 1:15​

New International Version​

The Supremacy of the Son of God​

15 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Mankind is in the invisible image of God too.
 
Like I said, the creation elements along with God formed man. No other persons in a godhead were involved.


Mankind is in the invisible image of God too.
Like I correctly said, nonpersonal elements are NOT the " US & OUR " that the Father said in Gen.1:26! The USE & OUR are Personal & Divine ( Deity ) and the " US & OUR " are the Father, Word/Son & Holy Ghost/Spirit as I proved in the scriptures that I formerly posted! Case closed on your Twisted view ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) of them! God does NOT talk to the nonpersonal elements that He created to use in the creation of Adam in Gen.1:26, He spoke to the Word/Son & Holy Spirit ( who were with Him in the beginning before creation, and are Personal & Divine or Deity, like He - the Father is )! You remain 100% rebuked ( 2 Tim.3:16 ) by those posted scriptures that PROVE my case & Point! The One GOD is a TRINITY composed of 3 Divine Persons called ( FSHS in Matt.28:19 )! Jesus is the PROMISED Messiah that came in the 69th seven & got cut off just 4 days AFTER that 69th seven mentioned in Dan.9:25-26! The math even works out PERFECTLY from that starting POINT Decree issued by King Artaxerxes on Nisan ( March/April ) of 444 BC in the 20th year of his reign as so stated in Nehemiah chapter two, Jewjitzu! Yes mankind is because they are created in Jesus's ( God the Word ) image! Your WRONG view ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) remains 100% rebuked by those posted scriptures as per 2 Tim.3:16!
 
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Like I correctly said nonpersonal elements are NOT the " US & OUR " that the Father said in Gen.1:26! The USE & OUR are Personal & Divine ( Deity ) and the " US & OUR " are the Father, Word/Son & Holy Ghost/Spirit as I proved in the scriptures that I formerly posted!
Actually, what you posted doesn't show 3 persons in a godhead.

What the grammar shows is a singular God speaking, vayomer, to others besides Himself. Had God been speaking to Himself as a plural, the verb form would be plural. It's that simple.

Since God spoke to creation in Gen 1:1-25, the same follows in Gen 1:26-27.

I post here for you the words from Dr. Heiser, an acknowledged Christian anguage expert.
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To illustrate, consider words in English such as:
"deer", "sheep", "fish" - the point is you need other words to help you tell if one or more than one of these animals is meant. Sometimes these other words are verbs that help you tell. Compare the two examples::

1) "The sheep is lost" - the word "is" is a singular verb (It goes with a singular subject; one wouldn't say, for example, "I are lost" - you would use a verb that goes with the singular subject ("I am lost").

2) "The sheep are lost" - the word "are" is a plural verb (again, another word next to our noun "sheep" tells us in this case that plural sheep are meant.

All of this is just basic grammar - and every language has grammar Biblical Hebrew has its own ways of telling us if elohim means ONE person or many gods. It matches the noun elohim to singular or plural verbs, or with singular or plural pronouns (to use "sheep" again as an example:
"Those sheep are white"). The word "those" is what's called a demonstrative pronoun - it automatically tells us that sheep in this sentence is meant to be understood as a plural.


BTW, YHWH is a singular personal pronoun, never a plural. ;)


Case closed on your Twisted view ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) of them! God does NOT talk to the nonpersonal elements that He created to use in the creation of Adam in Gen.1:26, He spoke to the Word/Son & Holy Spirit ( who are Personal & Divine or Deity, like He - the Father is )!
Look at Genesis 1:1-25. As an example,

24And God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, land crawlers, and beasts of the earth according to their kinds.” And it was so. 25God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and everything that crawls upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.

God spoke to the earth and animals were created. Since there is no image of God in them, there is no "Let us...".

Neh 9:6 is clear an alone person, singular, created.

You remain 100% rebuked ( 2 Tim.3:16 ) by those posted scriptures that PROVE my case & Point! The One GOD is a TRINITY composed of 3 Divine Persons called ( FSHS in Matt.28:19 )!
Not really.
 
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the Lord Jesus taught that he is God almighty. John 17:1 "These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:" John 17:2 "As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him." John 17:3 "And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17:4 "I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do." John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

here the Lord Jesus clearly said he was before the WORLD was, so he's no CREATION/CREATURE of anyone's. the KEYWORD is "WITH" this word WITH means 1. accompanied by (another person or thing) 2. possessing (something) as a feature or accompaniment. scripture, Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old."

and "WITH" as in John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." why "WAS" God? because he
God shared himself in Flesh as or in Likeness of his Image .... MAN. that's why he "WAS" God, because while in flesh with blood as a man he had a dirty job to do.... clean up our sin that we brought into his world. in doing so, (in Flesh), he, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: "Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
this is why he was, because he
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain
Root(s): G2756


definition #1 tells us why he "WAS" God.


and AGAIN, out of his own mouth he tells us he is God. John 17:6 "I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word."

what NAME did he Manifest? John 5:43 "I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive." THE ONLY NAME HE CAME IN IS "JESUS". BINGO.

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