Did Ravi Zacharias Persevere in the Faith or not?

ReverendRV

ReverendRV

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Dizerner said:
No, he's burning in hell, and I was deeply touched by his ministry; it was a huge shock to find him out he was a Judas.

I do believe he was called and at one time regenerate, but there is no way he can have zero repentance and his faith be sincere.

All forms of eternal security do not match the Bible, you can't take a thousand warnings and use one passage on security to override them.
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Thanks for your response. For now I'm just Lurking my own Thread, but may later respond. I'm looking for good reasons...

I do think that both Heaven and He'll are viable options...
 
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squirrelyguy

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ReverendRV said:
Was Ravi a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, and Jesus never knew him; or was he like Saint Paul and he did things he didn't want to do?

I need to know...
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This is a great question. Yes, I believe he fits the description of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Although his teaching was sound (at least his public teaching), his private life preached something else. That privately preached message is damnable.

Now, I do not necessarily believe he is in hell right now. I think he might be roaming the earth as a disembodied spirit awaiting the return of Christ, at which point he will be found naked, or with defiled garments, and disinherited. I believe there are geographical places on this earth that will be reserved as a place of exile for such people during the final thousand years of world history. Beyond that though, I believe there is hope for him at the final judgment once the millennial kingdom is consummated, unless he's one of those people in the four corners of the earth (i.e. the outer darkness) who Satan persuades to join in his final rebellion.

All of this is just my opinion, of course. Ultimately none of us know with certainty where Ravi is right now, or where he will find himself at the return of Christ or at the final judgment.
 
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My money is on a lifestyle contrary to a believer and one that sought out pleasing his fleshy appetite for sexual pleasure outside ot marriage. John talks about those who continue in sin and Paul stating those who practice immortality will not enter the kingdom of God.

hope this helps !!!
 
ReverendRV

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squirrelyguy said:
This is a great question. Yes, I believe he fits the description of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Although his teaching was sound (at least his public teaching), his private life preached something else. That privately preached message is damnable.

Now, I do not necessarily believe he is in hell right now. I think he might be roaming the earth as a disembodied spirit awaiting the return of Christ, at which point he will be found naked, or with defiled garments, and disinherited. I believe there are geographical places on this earth that will be reserved as a place of exile for such people during the final thousand years of world history. Beyond that though, I believe there is hope for him at the final judgment once the millennial kingdom is consummated, unless he's one of those people in the four corners of the earth (i.e. the outer darkness) who Satan persuades to join in his final rebellion.

All of this is just my opinion, of course. Ultimately none of us know with certainty where Ravi is right now, or where he will find himself at the return of Christ or at the final judgment.
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Thanks. I just want to know what everyone thinks...
 
ReverendRV

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civic said:
My money is on a lifestyle contrary to a believer and one that sought out pleasing his fleshy appetite for sexual pleasure outside of marriage. John talks about those who continue in sin and Paul stating those who practice immortality will not enter the kingdom of God.

hope this helps !!!
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Thanks. Is there anyone here who thinks that Ravi is in Heaven? Do you think Ananias and Sapphira are in Heaven?
 
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ReverendRV said:
Thanks. Is there anyone here who thinks that Ravi is in Heaven? Do you think Ananias and Sapphira are in Heaven?
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There is a big difference between them and Ravi . They sinned one time with lying and were severely punished for that sin whereas Ravi was a lifestyle of secret sexual sins all the while on the outside appeared righteous.
 
PeanutGallery

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ReverendRV said:
Was Ravi a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, and Jesus never knew him; or was he like Saint Paul and he did things he didn't want to do?

I need to know...
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If Calvinism is true then Ravi was meticulously chosen to be a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, as were the chosen victims.
Abhorrent thought indeed, both by non-Calvinists and respectfully by the victims.

Ravi was a very skilled philosopher, but a philosopher need not be child of God.
 
ReverendRV

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civic said:
There is a big difference between them and Ravi . They sinned one time with lying and were severely punished for that sin whereas Ravi was a lifestyle of secret sexual sins all the while on the outside appeared righteous.
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So would you say that Ravi did not Persevere as a Saint?

Or that Jesus never knew him?
 
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PeanutGallery said:
If Calvinism is true then Ravi was meticulously chosen to be a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, as were the chosen victims.
Abhorrent thought indeed, both by non-Calvinists and respectfully by the victims.

Ravi was a very skilled philosopher, but a philosopher need not be child of God.
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God chooses who will be a wolf in sheeps clothing? Or were they just acting in accordance with their fallen nature? You are suggesting God also choose his victims?
If that's what you think, you are ignorant of the Calvinism you argue against.
There's a difference between choosing evil and allowing it.
 
PeanutGallery

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4Him said:
God chooses who will be a wolf in sheeps clothing? Or were they just acting in accordance with their fallen nature? You are suggesting God also choose his victims?
If that's what you think, you are ignorant of the Calvinism you argue against.
There's a difference between choosing evil and allowing it.
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Must be a different flavour of Calvinism, as in compatibilsm, single/double predestination.
 
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Mike McK said:
No, he was no wolf. His doctrine was sound.

Why do you need to know?
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So if I start sleeping with the new flavor of the month from now until I die with a different woman snd have affairs I’m still going to heaven when I live like an adulterer for 20 plus years and die in that state of a practicing adulterer correct ?
 
4Him

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PeanutGallery said:
How should I know which flavour you adhere to?
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I adhere to the bible....but if you are arguing against something, YOU should know what you are arguing against...you don't. If you did, you would know what "flavor" you were talking about. You don't. That isn't Calvinism.
 
PeanutGallery

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4Him said:
I adhere to the bible....but if you are arguing against something, YOU should know what you are arguing against...you don't. If you did, you would know what "flavor" you were talking about. You don't. That isn't Calvinism.
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Tell me where I am incorrect in my statement; scripture does not speak of meticulous determination. I read about it from Confessions of Faith:


Chapter 3: Of God's Decree1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; ...


Chapter III - Of God’s Eternal Decree. i. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: ...
 
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