Did Ravi Zacharias Persevere in the Faith or not?

[guest1]

How do you know he was "practicing habitual sin"? Maybe he did loathe his sin but struggled with it. Maybe God saved him right before he died o rmaybe God saved him years ago.

Paul says in 1 Timothy that he is "the formost sinner". Is Paul being literal here?

12 I thank him who has given me strength, Christ Jesus our Lord, because he judged me faithful, appointing me to his service, 13 though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief, 14 and the grace of our Lord overflowed for me with the faith and love that are in Christ Jesus. 15 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost. 16 But I received mercy for this reason, that in me, as the foremost, Jesus Christ might display his perfect patience as an example to those who were to believe in him for eternal life. 17 To the King of the ages, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

Read the evidence from the reports and be informed .

 

[guest1]

You know they were reprobates because scripture says as much.....you have no idea about this man you condemn.

You will be judged according to how you judge.



You can't judge ones eternal fate because you don't know, yet here you are....



No, it's not. Church discipline was for the reason I mentioned....never was are we told to judge a dead man that God has already judged.

We can judge a person by their fruits that is biblical . Dead or alive it doesn’t matter.

 

[4Him]

We can judge a person by their fruits that is biblical . Dead or alive it doesn’t matter.

Yes, it does....and one day when you are judged you'll find out how much it matters.

 

[4Him]

Read the evidence from the reports and be informed .

It's easy to write a report about a dead man that isn't here to defend himself.

 

[guest1]

It's easy to write a report about a dead man that isn't here to defend himself.

Defend his indefensible sins against his victims ?

 

[eternomade]

Read the evidence from the reports and be informed .

No reason to. No one knows who is saved and who isn't except for God. I can learn from Ravi though.

Ill repeat myself again, if Ravi was given grace, he WILL be in heaven, no matter what he did near the end of his life.

 

[guest1]

No reason to. No one knows who is saved and who isn't except for God. I can learn from Ravi though.

Ill repeat myself again, if Ravi was given grace, he WILL be in heaven, no matter what he did near the end of his life.

And you are entitled to your opinion .

 

[guest1]

It seems many like to sweep all the warning passages about living in sin and acting like a child of the devil under the carpet and give people a free pass. That’s exactly why people reject salvation cannot be lost because they make excuses for sin. Shall we continue in sin that grace might abound ?

MAY IT NEVER BE exclaimed Paul.

 

[Theo1689]

It seems many like to sweep all the warning passages about living in sin and acting like a child of the devil under the carpet and give people a free pass. That’s exactly why people reject salvation cannot be lost because they make excuses for sin. Shall we continue in sin that grace might abound ?

MAY IT NEVER BE exclaimed Paul.

I'm not really sure why you're so obsessed with taking on God's role of judgment.
It's His role, not yours, not mine.

The passages you allude to are referring to LIVING people, so we know the proper way to interact with them. They are not intended as justification for presuming to judge the dead.

 

[ReverendRV]

This is a good question. When you use the word "repent", are you referring to justification(God giving you grace) or ongoing repentance?

Relating to Hebrews 6:4, if he Repented after, there was no more Sacrifice for his denial. Peter Repented to Jesus afterwards, so Unconditional Election must be true; since Peter met 'the' Condition it took to lose his Salvation...

Peter was Justified through Faith when he first believed in Christ; unless you would say he never was Justified until Christ met him on the beach after his three Denials...

 

[4Him]

Defend his indefensible sins against his victims ?

No one did....I also know not all investigations are legit. If he did it, he has already gotten his just due....if he didn't, same thing.

Judging a dead man is useless. There is nothing regarding church discipline that applies to someone after they are dead. Nothing.

 

[eternomade]

Relating to Hebrews 6:4, if he Repented after, there was no more Sacrifice for his denial. Peter Repented to Jesus afterwards, so Unconditional Election must be true; since Peter met 'the' Condition it took to lose his Salvation...

Yes, if Peter was given grace before his denial, this proves you cannot lose your salvation.

Peter was Justified through Faith when he first believed in Christ; unless you would say he never was Justified until Christ met him on the beach after his three Denials...

I don't know when Peter was saved, but I do know he is. If he was saved before Jesus died on the cross, then he was justified by faith. If he was saved after Jesus died on the cross, then he was justified by faith.

 

[ReverendRV]

So what about a professing Christian who died and we discovered was a serial killer for a decade plus prior to his death.

Is he going to heaven too ?

That puts it in a new light. My Pet Sins seem mild compared to that, but they're not. All things are permissable but all things are not expedient...

 

[guest1]

No one did....I also know not all investigations are legit. If he did it, he has already gotten his just due....if he didn't, same thing.

Judging a dead man is useless. There is nothing regarding church discipline that applies to someone after they are dead. Nothing.

Good thing he lived a secret life with NO ACCOUNTABILITY otherwise he would of been ex communicated and lost his ministry and wealth. Oh and he very well knew that was a reality which is why he kept it hidden and lived a lie for 12-20 years.

hope this helps !!!

 

[preacher4truth]

One reason I never took Ravi seriously or listened to him after a couple of times is that he was typically devoid of Scripture.

To me that was a huge red flag.

 

[guest1]

Why does scripture say without holiness no one will see the Lord in Hebrews 12:14 ?

 

[guest1]

One reason I never took Ravi seriously or listened to him after a couple or times is that he was typically devoid of Scripture.

To me that was a huge red flag.

Amen and filled with philosophy and left the gospel out of his messages. That’s another thing “ Christians “ overlook about him.

 

[ReverendRV]

One reason I never took Ravi seriously or listened to him after a couple of times is that he was typically devoid of Scripture.

To me that was a huge red flag.

Thanks for responding. Do you have more to say?

 

[preacher4truth]

Amen and filled with philosophy and left the gospel out of his messages. That’s another thing “ Christians “ overlook about him.

Unfortunately, many of them buy-in because he was on the local "Christian Radio Station" just like they buy books because they happen to be in the "Christian" bookstore.

One local teacher here was all over me because I disagreed with Ravi on a theological issue. Ridicule of me ensued in front of others as if Ravi is God, and how dare I disgree with him, after all, he's on the radio.

 

[preacher4truth]

Thanks for responding. Do you have more to say?

To be honest, I am floored about the whole thing, about thinking he could be in eternal torment, in thinking how many he has betrayed in the end, how devastated his family must be, those who worked in his "ministry, but glory in God for the fact that as a miserable sinner He gave me enough discernment to question him from the very beginning.