Did Ravi Zacharias Persevere in the Faith or not?

[Manfred]

Look it up yourself, don't be lazy.

Bad form sir!

If you state something, you are supposed to site it as proof. Just saying something as truth is just bad form.

Where should I go and look it up. Which reliable source will tell me he died unrepentant?
Did his wife say he died unrepentant?

 

[Manfred]

I find that explanation ridiculous, no offense. The Bible says why he was righteous, because he was tormented in his soul over their lawless deeds, he was just passive. The best person that ever lived is a "scoundrel," but Lot hated his sin.

What better doctrine would Satan want you to believe than one prayer and you're good to go? You want to find out it's not true too late? You know how many people in hell will be claiming Eternal Security just because someone lied to them?

Just remember it won't be my fault and no blood will be on my hands. I'm not here to argue, I'm only saying this so I've done my part, and fulfilled my personal responsibility to bear witness to the truth, the same as witnessing to the unsaved.

But if a righteous man turns from his righteousness and practices iniquity, committing the same abominations as the wicked, will he live? None of the righteous acts he did will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness and sin he has committed, he will die. - Eze. 18:24

R. I. P. Eternal Security.

You've swallowed a lie.

Don't be another Ravi.

Are you still under law?
Do you expect to be saved by your so-called righteous acts? If no, why will you be judged by your unrighteous acts... Please tell me you do have no struggles.
Death can take you ANY minute Sir!

 

[guest1]

James Whites perspective on Ravi- Unrepentant !

 

[4Him]

The flavour I referred to in my post was 'decree/ordain' to be consistent with the Calvinism's Confession of Faith; as opposed to your apparent inconsistent 'allow' from the same Confession of Faith

I didn't quote any confession of faith, so you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[PeanutGallery]

... If that's what you think, you are ignorant of the Calvinism you argue against.

I didn't quote any confession of faith, so you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I quoted Calvinism's Confession of Faith, then told I did not know what I was talking about when it made no mention of your 'allow'.

... There's a difference between choosing evil and allowing it.

There it is again; Calvinism's Confession of Faith makes no mention of 'allow'

Chapter 3: Of God's Decree1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; ...

Chapter III - Of God’s Eternal Decree. i. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: ...

 

[Our Lord's God]

I quoted Calvinism's Confession of Faith, then told I did not know what I was talking about when it made no mention of your 'allow'.


There it is again; Calvinism's Confession of Faith makes no mention of 'allow'

Chapter 3: Of God's Decree1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; ...

Chapter III - Of God’s Eternal Decree. i. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: ...

Don't you know that in Calvinism, on one day God decrees, but on the next He "allows."

 

[ReverendRV]

To me this is a sad thread.

I do not know what went on in his private life.
I do not know whether He repented before God prior to his death.

I do know, no man is perfect.
I see a lot of stones thrown....

I cannot and will not condone, adultery.
Is there any evidence of false doctrine preached? Do you guys think, listening to him defend Christ that it was an evil spirit leading him?
Apart from the adultery, how did he (wolf) lead people away from Christ?

It is a sad Thread. I was surprised that there had been little to no discussion about this. It is best to run the race as to win the prize; but never count on the running...

It's kind of like I'm on a See-Saw of 'what to do'...


As usual, I'll have to do both; sigh, Compatibalism...

 

[Simpletruther]

Was Ravi a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, and Jesus never knew him; or was he like Saint Paul and he did things he didn't want to do?

I need to know...

Only
God knows

 

[guest1]

Jude 1:4
For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 3:6
They are the kind who worm their way into households and captivate vulnerable women who are weighed down with sins and led astray by various passions,

Titus 1:16
They profess to know God, but by their actions they deny Him. They are detestable, disobedient, and unfit for any good deed


2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not


Jude 1:15
To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

 

[Our Lord's God]

It is a sad Thread. I was surprised that there had been little to no discussion about this. It is best to run the race as to win the prize; but never count on the running...

It's kind of like I'm on a See-Saw of 'what to do'...


As usual, I'll have to do both; sigh, Compatibalism...

Christ who dwells in a true believer decides what to do. This is the entire basis of Christianity.

 

[4Him]

I quoted Calvinism's Confession of Faith, then told I did not know what I was talking about when it made no mention of your 'allow'.

Nope...your original post I responded to....

PeanutGallery said:
If Calvinism is true then Ravi was meticulously chosen to be a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, as were the chosen victims.
Abhorrent thought indeed, both by non-Calvinists and respectfully by the victims.

God doesn't "choose" people to be victims......allowing is not willing someone to be a victim.

I don't know anyone that holds to Calvinism that thinks God chooses people to be victims of anyone.

There it is again; Calvinism's Confession of Faith makes no mention of 'allow'

Are you hard of reading? I never brought up any confession of faith.....you did.

YOU are the one that labels me a Calvinist....I label myself a Christian.

 

[4Him]

The flavour I referred to in my post was 'decree/ordain' to be consistent with the Calvinism's Confession of Faith; as opposed to your apparent inconsistent 'allow' from the same Confession of Faith

Inconsistent? YOU brought up a confession of faith....I didn't. I quoted no confession of faith, YOU did.

You are hellbent on defining me by the way you define others. Don't.

 

[PeanutGallery]

Nope...your original post I responded to....

PeanutGallery said:
If Calvinism is true then Ravi was meticulously chosen to be a Wolf in Sheep's clothing, as were the chosen victims.

Completely in line with the Confession of Faith:
Chapter 3: Of God's Decree1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; ...

Chapter III - Of God’s Eternal Decree. i. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: ...

...
God doesn't "choose" people to be victims......allowing is not willing someone to be a victim.

I don't know anyone that holds to Calvinism that thinks God chooses people to be victims of anyone.

Again, Confession of Faith:
Chapter 3: Of God's Decree1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; ...

Chapter III - Of God’s Eternal Decree. i. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: ...

Are you hard of reading? I never brought up any confession of faith.....you did.

Of course, is this not a Calvinist Forum?

 

[PeanutGallery]

Inconsistent? YOU brought up a confession of faith....I didn't. I quoted no confession of faith, YOU did.

You are hellbent on defining me by the way you define others. Don't.

I defined the OP as Calvinist; you jumped in.

 

[4Him]

Completely in line with the Confession of Faith:
Chapter 3: Of God's Decree1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; ...

Chapter III - Of God’s Eternal Decree. i. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: ...


Again, Confession of Faith:
Chapter 3: Of God's Decree1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; ...

Chapter III - Of God’s Eternal Decree. i. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: ...


Of course, is this not a Calvinist Forum?

No, it's the Arminian and Calvinist forum.

Calvinism denies human free will and makes God responsible for evil

Calvinism denies human free will and makes God responsible for evil

www.mslick.com

 

[Theo1689]

Completely in line with the Confession of Faith:

<Chuckle>

I love these putzes who have no idea what they're talking about.

One quotes from "the" Greek lexicon (as if there's only one).
Another quotes from "the" Confession of Faith (as if there's only one).

So WHICH "Confession of Faith" are you quoting from, and what is your evidence that 4Him holds to that particular confession.

Of course, is this not a Calvinist Forum?

So you think you're quoting from the "Calvinist Confession of Faith"?

As someone who has been a Calvinist for over 30 years, I've NEVER heard of "the Calvinist Confession of Faith".

 

[PeanutGallery]

...
You are hellbent on defining me by the way you define others. Don't.

No, it's the Arminian and Calvinist forum.

You are Arminian then?

Calvinism denies human free will and makes God responsible for evil

Calvinism denies human free will and makes God responsible for evil

www.mslick.com

Yet, another flavour; 'free will' to do whatever God has meticulously decreed.

 

[TomFL]

Tell me where I am incorrect in my statement; scripture does not speak of meticulous determination. I read about it from Confessions of Faith:


Chapter 3: Of God's Decree1._____ God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; ...


Chapter III - Of God’s Eternal Decree. i. God, from all eternity, did, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will freely, and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: ...

You are correct

The bible does not teach divine meticulous determination of all things

 

[PeanutGallery]

So you think you're quoting from the "Calvinist Confession of Faith"?

As someone who has been a Calvinist for over 30 years, I've NEVER heard of "the Calvinist Confession of Faith".

Which post did I state "Calvinist Confession of Faith"?

 

[4Him]

You are Arminian then?

I'm Christian.

Yet, another flavour; 'free will' to do whatever God has meticulously decreed.

Matt is a Calvinist. I think he knows more about Calvinism than you ever did or will.