Did the Word remain as he was when he assumed a human nature?

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DoctrinesofGraceBapt

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Yahchristian said:
DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
Did I say the Word stopped being God? Nope. Try actually reading things in context next time.
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You said…
DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
Philippians 2:6-7 says he didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as he was but emptied himself.
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So just to clarify, in your statement…
Does “he” refer to the Word?
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Obviously. Jesus is the Word, and he in this context is a pronoun referring to the Word, Jesus. I'm saying Jesus didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain only God, in form God, but emptied himself to become more, in form man.

God Bless
 
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Yahchristian

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DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
Philippians 2:6-7 says he didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as he was but emptied himself.
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Yahchristian said:
Does “he” refer to the Word?
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
Obviously. Jesus is the Word, and he in this context is a pronoun referring to the Word, Jesus.
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This was your original statement...

"Philippians 2:6-7 says he didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as he was but emptied himself."

So your statement means this...

Philippians 2:6-7 says the Word didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as the Word was but emptied himself.

Correct?
 
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johnny guitar

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Yahchristian said:
This was your original statement...

"Philippians 2:6-7 says he didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as he was but emptied himself."

So your statement means this...

Philippians 2:6-7 says the Word didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as the Word was but emptied himself.

Correct?
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Incorrect. The Word ALWAYS remains The Word.
 
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Nathan P

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johnny guitar said:
Huuh????
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It is very simple as you say there is the Father, the Son and the HS correct? I will find the scripture and it it says there are 3 in heaven on record the Father, the HS and the Word. There is no mention of Jesus. So if you are saying Jesus is in heaven now then you have the Father, the Son, the HS and the word since you say the Word always remains the Word?
 
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johnny guitar

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Nathan P said:
It is very simple as you say there is the Father, the Son and the HS correct? I will find the scripture and it it says there are 3 in heaven on record the Father, the HS and the Word. There is no mention of Jesus. So if you are saying Jesus is in heaven now then you have the Father, the Son, the HS and the word since you say the Word always remains the Word?
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Indeed, Jesus Christ, The Son, The Word is in heaven now alongside The Father.
 
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt

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Yahchristian said:
This was your original statement...

"Philippians 2:6-7 says he didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as he was but emptied himself."

So your statement means this...

Philippians 2:6-7 says the Word didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as the Word was but emptied himself.

Correct?
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I see no reason to answer such questions.
 
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Yahchristian

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DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
I see no reason to answer such questions.
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Then can you at least tell us...


1) Do you agree with this statement?

Philippians 2:6-7 says he didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as he was but emptied himself.


2) Do you agree with this statement?

Philippians 2:6-7 says the Word didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as the Word was but emptied himself.
 
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DoctrinesofGraceBapt

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Yahchristian said:
Then can you at least tell us...


1) Do you agree with this statement?

Philippians 2:6-7 says he didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as he was but emptied himself.


2) Do you agree with this statement?

Philippians 2:6-7 says the Word didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as the Word was but emptied himself.
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Either your grasp of English is so bad that explaining such wouldn't matter anyway, or your trolling. Do you know how pronouns work?
 
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Yahchristian

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DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
Do you know how pronouns work?
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Yes. A pronoun refers to a noun.

And YOU said…

DoctrinesofGraceBapt said:
he in this context is a pronoun referring to the Word
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So can you tell us...


1) Do you agree with this statement?

Philippians 2:6-7 says he didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as he was but emptied himself.


2) Do you agree with this statement?

Philippians 2:6-7 says the Word didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as the Word was but emptied himself.
 
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TheLayman

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Yahchristian said:
Then can you at least tell us...


1) Do you agree with this statement?

Philippians 2:6-7 says he didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as he was but emptied himself.


2) Do you agree with this statement?

Philippians 2:6-7 says the Word didn't grasp onto his equality as to remain as the Word was but emptied himself.
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Philippians 2.6-7 says neither of these things...the verb "grasp," appears nowhere in the text, nor does any verb resembling "grasp" appear in the text. The word "harpagmon" is a noun, not a verb. So, this is about the Son considered a *"thing" *(equality with God) it is not about the Son considering an "action."

Next, the NKJV translates "ekenosen" in 2.7 best here:

Philippians 2:7-8 (NKJV)
7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men."

Lastly, the Catholic Catechism is correct (gasp) and every major Protestant denomination agreed with it as well, "What he was, he remained and what he was not, he assumed." It was actually Gregory of Nazianzus who said this though it is part and parcel to the doctrine of recapitulation put forth by Irenaeus.

TheLayman
 
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