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Temujin

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But that life begins at fertilized conception is science.. which is appropriate for a secular section thread.
Agreed. And that personhood begins at birth is sociology, which is also appropriate for this section. I am glad you agree that arguments from the Bible are worthless when discussing secular subjects such as abortion, sexuality, gender and politics.
 

BMS

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Agreed. And that personhood begins at birth is sociology, which is also appropriate for this section.
Ah so its a battle between science and sociology.
I am glad you agree that arguments from the Bible are in line with science and sociology is worthless when not evidence based.

Here is the science:

now provide the sociology then we can examine the two.
 

Temujin

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Ah so its a battle between science and sociology.
I am glad you agree that arguments from the Bible are in line with science and sociology is worthless when not evidence based.

Here is the science:

now provide the sociology then we can examine the two.
No. There is no battle. Science dictates, or rather describes what happens in biology. Sociology describes what happens in societies. Sex and sexuality , including rare intersex conditions, are biological. Gender is sociological. The biology of abortion and pregnancy is science, the issue of personhood, and human rights is sociological. All are compatible with each other. The Bible is an irrelevance in biology, but certainly has a role in society, for those that choose to believe it.
 

BMS

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No. There is no battle. Science dictates, or rather describes what happens in biology. Sociology describes what happens in societies. Sex and sexuality , including rare intersex conditions, are biological. Gender is sociological. The biology of abortion and pregnancy is science, the issue of personhood, and human rights is sociological. All are compatible with each other. The Bible is an irrelevance in biology, but certainly has a role in society, for those that choose to believe it.
No sociology evidence . oh dear you lose
 

BMS

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There is no battle. No win or lose. Reality is what is. Your position is what it is and ne'er the twain shall meet.
You lose, there is no battle, once again I provide the evidence and all can see you give a simple baseless denial
 

Temujin

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You lose, there is no battle, once again I provide the evidence and all can see you give a simple baseless denial
You did indeed:
"Biologists now think there is a larger spectrum than just binary female and male.” Scientific American, Oct 22 2018

“The research and medical community now sees sex as more complex than male and female.” Nature, Oct 30 2018"

You also posted some rubbish from Project Nuttie. Given the choice between Scientific American and Nature on the one hand, two of the most prestigious scientific publications in the world, and a handful of bruised egos desperately scraping the barrel for findings that will support the conclusion they have already come to, you are right. There is no contest. Welcome to the Real world where :
Biologists now think there is a larger spectrum than just binary female and male.” Scientific American, Oct 22 2018

“The research and medical community now sees sex as more complex than male and female.” Nature, Oct 30 2018
 

BMS

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You did indeed:
"Biologists now think there is a larger spectrum than just binary female and male.” Scientific American, Oct 22 2018

“The research and medical community now sees sex as more complex than male and female.” Nature, Oct 30 2018"

You also posted some rubbish from Project Nuttie. Given the choice between Scientific American and Nature on the one hand, two of the most prestigious scientific publications in the world, and a handful of bruised egos desperately scraping the barrel for findings that will support the conclusion they have already come to, you are right. There is no contest. Welcome to the Real world where :
Biologists now think there is a larger spectrum than just binary female and male.” Scientific American, Oct 22 2018

“The research and medical community now sees sex as more complex than male and female.” Nature, Oct 30 2018
Give us the links
Project Nettie has hundreds of biologists as signatures. Of course biological sex is binary, there are only two chromosomes, X and Y, and only two anatomies one with a penis and one with a vagina. If it wasn't binary someone could show us what other chromosome or other anatomy. Its not a question of busied egos but outrights lies.
You lose
 

Temujin

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Give us the links
Project Nettie has hundreds of biologists as signatures. Of course biological sex is binary, there are only two chromosomes, X and Y, and only two anatomies one with a penis and one with a vagina. If it wasn't binary someone could show us what other chromosome or other anatomy. Its not a question of busied egos but outrights lies.
You lose
You gave us the quotes. They are in your link. If you want to start saying "Of course you are wrong" to Scientific American and Nature, I am going to say "Of course you are delusional" to you. Take it up with the people who do science, not the "hundreds" who decide on the conclusion, then ignore the science that doesn't fit it.
 

BMS

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You gave us the quotes. They are in your link. If you want to start saying "Of course you are wrong" to Scientific American and Nature, I am going to say "Of course you are delusional" to you. Take it up with the people who do science, not the "hundreds" who decide on the conclusion, then ignore the science that doesn't fit it.
So you wont give us the links and of course you cant give us examples of any other sex determining chromosome other than X and Y, or sex reproductive organs other than male or female.
You lose
 

Kade Rystalmane

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So you wont give us the links and of course you cant give us examples of any other sex determining chromosome other than X and Y, or sex reproductive organs other than male or female.
You lose
Maybe time to dust off the feet on this one. You know they can't. They know they can't. We know they can't. Facts don't care about feelings and the facts are obvious to everyone that only X and Y exist.
 

Temujin

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So you wont give us the links and of course you cant give us examples of any other sex determining chromosome other than X and Y, or sex reproductive organs other than male or female.
You lose

"This tired simplification is great for teaching the importance of chromosomes but betrays the true nature of biological sex. The popular belief that your sex arises only from your chromosomal makeup is wrong."

"Simply put, the idea of a sexual binary isn’t scientifically useful, and nowhere is this more obvious than in the brain. It also happens that transgender people have the brains to prove it."

"While this is a small overview, the science is clear and conclusive: sex is not binary, transgender people are real."
 
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