Dispensationalism vs Amillennialism

YeshuaFan

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Only the remnant elect Jew will be saved and added to Israel the Church

When the last soul is saved and added to Israel the Church, then the saying "All Israel Will Be Saved" will be fulfilled
God still has promises with national Israel. but only to be fulfilled at time of the Second Coming!
 

YeshuaFan

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Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound From (One Specific Purpose) As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

Revelation 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
satan is the one behind all false religions, regardless if Rome, JW, Lds, Sda etc, and also instigates hatred and wars, so when bound, all of that shall cease, as all nations shall call Jesus their Lord and God!
 

American Gothic

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(the remnant) has dual citizenship in both ethnic Israel and in the church.
how Jewish believers currently view their relationship to the rest of Jewdom is interesting and varied

The tribulation period has several purposes, the judgment of the nations, world wide evangelism, and the purging and conversion of Israel.
Gentiles maybe judged vis a vis their treatment of Israel
Jew's maybe the leaders of the Evangelism, fulfilling their original calling
the time of Jacob's Trouble maybe ultimately being for Israel's benefit and God's glory
???
 

Truth7t7

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God still has promises with national Israel. but only to be fulfilled at time of the Second Coming!
God has no future plans with any nation, let alone Jews based upon ethnic race

There will be those chosen and elected for salvation "Eternal Kingdom", and those that aren't "Lake Of Fire"

You espouse the teachings of Darby and Scofield's dispensationalism's better known as "Christian Zionism"

The world will be dissolved by fire at the Lord's second coming, there will be no Millennial Kingdom on this earth, a fabricated fairy tale of man

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
 
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Truth7t7

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satan is the one behind all false religions, regardless if Rome, JW, Lds, Sda etc, and also instigates hatred and wars, so when bound, all of that shall cease, as all nations shall call Jesus their Lord and God!
There will be no future Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many believe and teach, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man, found no place in scripture

As shown in post #85 above, Jesus returns in fire (The End)
 

Truth7t7

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Good afternoon AG,

As an observation... The remnant (Jewish Believers who accept Jesus as the Christ), are who would be deemed as "True Israel", or "spiritual Jews". There are essentially two Israel(s), ethnic Israel, and spiritual Israel. Spiritual Israel (the remnant) has dual citizenship in both ethnic Israel and in the church.

The tribulation period has several purposes, the judgment of the nations, world wide evangelism, and the purging and conversion of Israel.
Any person who is saved and part of the Church is a spiritual Jew

Romans 2:28-29KJ
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The Church is the "Israel Of God" children of the promised seed, both Jew/Gentile

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

American Gothic

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There will be no future Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many believe and teach, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man, found no place in scripture
"...shall reign with Him a thousand years.
7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city." oops

all those of Israel are faithful all this time, God having fulfilled what promised to Them long ago Jeremiah 31:34
the unbelievers in the Kingdom age will be non-Jews
 
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American Gothic

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"But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." Jude 1

"...there shall be a judgment on all. But with the righteous He will make peace; and will protect the elect and mercy shall be on them.” Enoch 1

Rapture, Harpazo, a Mercy (?)
 
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YeshuaFan

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God has no future plans with any nation, let alone Jews based upon ethnic race

There will be those chosen and elected for salvation "Eternal Kingdom", and those that aren't "Lake Of Fire"

You espouse the teachings of Darby and Scofield's dispensationalism's better known as "Christian Zionism"

The world will be dissolved by fire at the Lord's second coming, there will be no Millennial Kingdom on this earth, a fabricated fairy tale of man

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
No, I hold to Covenant premill theology, as held by Spurgeon!
 

YeshuaFan

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Any person who is saved and part of the Church is a spiritual Jew

Romans 2:28-29KJ
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The Church is the "Israel Of God" children of the promised seed, both Jew/Gentile

Romans 9:6-8KJV
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
no, the saved Gentiles are spiritual children of Abraham, but saved Jews are the spiritual Jews!
 

Keraz

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no, the saved Gentiles are spiritual children of Abraham, but saved Jews are the spiritual Jews!
Not correct.
To become a citizen of the Jewish State of Israel, just to practice Judaism is sufficient. And to claim Jewish ancestry, without any proof requirement.
I have been to Israel and I saw multiple ethnicities there.

Read your Bible: God no longer recognizes racial divisions. Ephesians 2:11-18
His faithful people come from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9
Rapture, Harpazo, a Mercy (?)
There will be no 'rapture to heaven', Jesus said so: John 3:13
The 'harpazo' in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, is a transportation thru the earths atmosphere, from where those who remain alive when Jesus Returns, to where He is and will be. To Jerusalem; Zechariah 14:4
Transported in the same way as Philip was. Acts 8:39
There will be no future Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many believe and teach, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man, found no place in scripture

As shown in post #85 above, Jesus returns in fire (The End)
This belief is totally contrary to what Zechariah 14:3-4, Matthew 24:30-31 and Revelation 19:1-21 tell us.
Your promotion of the wrong teaching of AMill and earths destruction at the Return of Jesus, leaves you without any credibility.
 

YeshuaFan

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Not correct.
To become a citizen of the Jewish State of Israel, just to practice Judaism is sufficient. And to claim Jewish ancestry, without any proof requirement.
I have been to Israel and I saw multiple ethnicities there.

Read your Bible: God no longer recognizes racial divisions. Ephesians 2:11-18
His faithful people come from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9

There will be no 'rapture to heaven', Jesus said so: John 3:13
The 'harpazo' in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, is a transportation thru the earths atmosphere, from where those who remain alive when Jesus Returns, to where He is and will be. To Jerusalem; Zechariah 14:4
Transported in the same way as Philip was. Acts 8:39

This belief is totally contrary to what Zechariah 14:3-4, Matthew 24:30-31 and Revelation 19:1-21 tell us.
Your promotion of the wrong teaching of AMill and earths destruction at the Return of Jesus, leaves you without any credibility.
Saved Gentiles are not spiritual Jews, but are now part of spiritual Israel!
 

Truth7t7

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"...shall reign with Him a thousand years.
7Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city." oops

all those of Israel are faithful all this time, God having fulfilled what promised to Them long ago Jeremiah 31:34
the unbelievers in the Kingdom age will be non-Jews
Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound From (One Specific Purpose) As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

Revelation 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth
, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 

Truth7t7

Well-known member
Not correct.
To become a citizen of the Jewish State of Israel, just to practice Judaism is sufficient. And to claim Jewish ancestry, without any proof requirement.
I have been to Israel and I saw multiple ethnicities there.

Read your Bible: God no longer recognizes racial divisions. Ephesians 2:11-18
His faithful people come from every tribe, race, nation and language. Revelation 5:9-10 & 7:9

There will be no 'rapture to heaven', Jesus said so: John 3:13
The 'harpazo' in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, is a transportation thru the earths atmosphere, from where those who remain alive when Jesus Returns, to where He is and will be. To Jerusalem; Zechariah 14:4
Transported in the same way as Philip was. Acts 8:39

This belief is totally contrary to what Zechariah 14:3-4, Matthew 24:30-31 and Revelation 19:1-21 tell us.
Your promotion of the wrong teaching of AMill and earths destruction at the Return of Jesus, leaves you without any credibility.
Zechariah 14 represents the second coming in the day of the Lord, the chapter explains the "Eternal Kingdom" in the New Heaven and Earth, Zechariah 14:8 the eternal river of life is present

Revelation 19 is nothing more that the final battle Armageddon and second coming

Matthew 24:30-31 is nothing more than the second coming and last day resurrection

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End)
 

Truth7t7

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no, the saved Gentiles are spiritual children of Abraham, but saved Jews are the spiritual Jews!
Once again, "any person" who is saved and circumcised of the heart is a spiritual Jew, as scripture "clearly teaches" below

Romans 2:28-29KJ
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
 

YeshuaFan

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Once again, "any person" who is saved and circumcised of the heart is a spiritual Jew, as scripture "clearly teaches" below

Romans 2:28-29KJ
28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Paul was addressing in that passage the state of Jews, as just being born a Jew did not make one a child of Abraham, as had to be born again in the Messiah for that!
 
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