Do Mormons actually have continuing revelations or opinions

Magdalena

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See for yourself:

Baptized, yes. But not given other essential mormon ordinances until 1979. That was racism.
 

Erundur

Active member
Could they be exalted prior to 1978? They couldn't hold the Mormon priesthood prior to Kimball's "revelation".
Well, I don't know if anyone was exalted prior to 1978, but exaltation is available to everyone, whether they lived before or after 1978.
 

organgrinder

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Well, I don't know if anyone was exalted prior to 1978, but exaltation is available to everyone, whether they lived before or after 1978.
Well, it appears your church prophets/revelators, etc. teach otherwise. Here is what is on the church web site: https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-47-exaltation?lang=eng

Requirements for Exaltation​

The time to fulfill the requirements for exaltation is now (see Alma 34:32–34). President Joseph Fielding Smith said, “In order to obtain the exaltation we must accept the gospel and all its covenants; and take upon us the obligations which the Lord has offered; and walk in the light and the understanding of the truth; and ‘live by every word that proceedeth forth from the mouth of God’” (Doctrines of Salvation, 2:43).

To be exalted, we first must place our faith in Jesus Christ and then endure in that faith to the end of our lives. Our faith in Him must be such that we repent of our sins and obey His commandments.

He commands us all to receive certain ordinances:

We must be baptized.

We must receive the laying on of hands to be confirmed a member of the Church of Jesus Christ and to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Brethren must receive the Melchizedek Priesthood and magnify their callings in the priesthood.

We must receive the temple endowment.


We must be married for eternity, either in this life or in the next.

In addition to receiving the required ordinances, the Lord commands all of us to:

Love God and our neighbors.

Keep the commandments.

Repent of our wrongdoings.

Search out our kindred dead and receive the saving ordinances of the gospel for them.

Attend our Church meetings as regularly as possible so we can renew our baptismal covenants by partaking of the sacrament.

Love our family members and strengthen them in the ways of the Lord.

Have family and individual prayers every day.

Teach the gospel to others by word and example.

Study the scriptures.

So before 1978, blacks were excluded from the priesthood, and therefore could not hope for exaltation. Temple endowments require a person to be ordained to the Melchizedek priesthood, something black couldn't do prior to 1978. Missionaries also had to have the MP before going on a mission. That was critical.

In addition to these blessings of daily protection, Brigham Young described the endowment in terms of its value after we have completed our mortal journey:

“Your endowment is, to receive all those ordinances in the house of the Lord, which are necessary for you, after you have departed this life, to enable you to walk back to the presence of the Father, passing the angels who stand as sentinels, being enabled to give them the key words, the signs and tokens, pertaining to the holy priesthood, and gain your eternal exaltation” (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe [1954], 416).



Missionaries must receive the temple endowment before starting their missionary service.

Young men must be ordained to the Melchizedek Priesthood before receiving their temple endowment.

Young men cannot be ordained to the Melchizedek Priesthood until they are 18 years old.
 
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Erundur

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Well, it appears your church prophets/revelators, etc. teach otherwise.
Unless you know what our church actually teaches on the subject. Are you familiar with our doctrine on how people receive the necessary ordinances if they didn't have the opportunity to receive them in this life?
 

organgrinder

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Unless you know what our church actually teaches on the subject. Are you familiar with our doctrine on how people receive the necessary ordinances if they didn't have the opportunity to receive them in this life?
Oh, you mean the unbiblical ones?
 

zerinus

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Do Mormons actually have continuing revelations or opinions
Good question. They do have continuing revelation, but they don't publish them anymore, at least not up to now. That may change in the future. However, you do have a valid point, that they have also been expressing an awful lot of "opinions" as well in the past, a lot more than it was good for them, which sometimes have been passed off as "revelations," although they haven't been. There are reasons for it, rooted in Church history, which is too complicated to get into. The good news is that it is now beginning to change, and it doesn't happen nearly as often nowadays as it used to do before.
 

Erundur

Active member
Oh, you mean the unbiblical ones?
I'll take that as a no. So in our church, we believe that ordinances can be provided by proxy for persons who died without receiving them in this life. A black man who could not receive the temple ordinances prior to 1978 will receive a proxy ordinance performed by a living person, and that ordinance will be just as effective as if he had received it himself before his death. Thus, he has the exact same shot at exaltation as anyone else.
 

The Prophet

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I'll take that as a no. So in our church, we believe that ordinances can be provided by proxy for persons who died without receiving them in this life. A black man who could not receive the temple ordinances prior to 1978 will receive a proxy ordinance performed by a living person, and that ordinance will be just as effective as if he had received it himself before his death. Thus, he has the exact same shot at exaltation as anyone else.
Will that black person be a servant in heaven ? like Mormon Apostle Mark E Peterson taught :):)

"Let us consider the great mercy of God for a moment. a Chinese, born in China with a dark skin, and with all the handicaps of that race seems to have little opportunity. but think of the mercy of god to Chinese people who are willing to accept the gospel. In spite of whatever they might have done in the pre-existence to justify being born over there as Chinamen, if they now, in this life, accept the gospel and live it the rest of their lives they can have the Priesthood, go to the temple and receive endowments and sealings, and that means they can have exaltation. Isn't the mercy of God marvelous?

Think of the Negro, cursed as to the priesthood... This Negro, who in the pre-existence lived the type of life which justified the Lord in sending him to the earth in the lineage of Cain with a black skin, and possibly being born in darkest Africa--if that Negro is willing when he hears the gospel to accept it, he may have many of the blessings of the gospel. In spite of all he did in the pre-existent life, the Lord is willing, if the Negro accepts the gospel with real, sincerer faith, and is really converted, to give him the blessing of baptism and the gift of the Holy Ghost. If that Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory. (Race Problems--As They Affect The Church, An address by Mark E. Petersen at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College level; Brigham Young University, Provo, Utah, August 27, 1954.)
 

organgrinder

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I'll take that as a no. So in our church, we believe that ordinances can be provided by proxy for persons who died without receiving them in this life. A black man who could not receive the temple ordinances prior to 1978 will receive a proxy ordinance performed by a living person, and that ordinance will be just as effective as if he had received it himself before his death. Thus, he has the exact same shot at exaltation as anyone else.
Second chance "salvation/exaltation" which is unbiblical. In your church's case, the black who died before the 1978 "revelation", had better hope somebody will do the proxy rite for him. Still racism. And still a false doctrine for it is unbiblical.
 

Bob Carabbio

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Do Mormons actually have continuing revelations or opinions​

ABSOLUTELY!!! They've been fed worthless religious garbage by satan ever since their Phony religious movement got started back in 1830 by a skillful Con-Man. God isn't the ONLY one who can produce "Prophetic utterances". That's why paul Cautioned the Corinthins to TEST the "Prophets" in their midst to see if they were REAL.
 
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