Ok.Neither Paul nor Jesus lied. The predictions of Paul and Jesus (in Matt 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 came to pass around 70 AD.
Humanity has been in the Revelation era since the Revelation was promulgated around 70 AD.
The Revelation reveals OUR 'end time'.
Wow.You'll probably deny this ... but you denigrate\downgrade the Revelation. You don't grasp the supreme signicance of the Revelation.
ONLY the Revelation reveals and enables one to understand OUR 'end time.'
So it does not even matter what Josephus recorded or history recorded about the HP. You are sticking to your own facts, and ignoring any other account?According to Jesus the HP lived long enough to SEE Jesus return in power.
We don't need the whole life history of the HP in order to trust that Jesus word to him was true.
It's a matter of trusting the scripture word of Jesus.
Nothing personal. The whole 'preTrib' camp is screwed up about this. Has been since Scofield published his preTrib false doctrine.
And this passage is why I'm presently on the 5th reading of Revelation in the past several weeks.Valuable information is throughout the Bible.
But one does not have to have read all of the Bible to be blessed by heeding the Revelation.
3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy and keep those things which are written in it, for the time is near.
First of all the starter of this thread "assumes" there will be a rapture of the Church before the second coming. Secondly, he has not returned to the scene of the crime so to speak after his initial thread/post.The Second Coming is for the church. They have to go up, before they can be an army. The battle of Armageddon is not the Second Coming. It is the battle of Armageddon.
Enter what? Those in Paradise have been there since the Cross. People arrive daily. Where else do they go?We must take notice of Rev. 19:8- And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.
The white attire is only given to the bride at this late stage, not before. Was she able to "enter" without the wedding attire? Where O where could she have been?
So people can enter without the proper attire? No. We enter as Jesus did -in a resurrected body, unless raptured.Enter what? Those in Paradise have been there since the Cross. People arrive daily. Where else do they go?
The church is complete and glorified at the 6th Seal. The Trumpets are for the separation of the sheep from the goats. The church and sheep are not the same people not found in the same location, nor even time for that matter.