You're still running around in circles trying to prove your presupposition.Greatly Appreciate If You Would Provide The Book And Chapter To Your Scripture Quoted, Common Courtesy, Thanks
Scripture "Clearly Teaches" That Your Claim Of A (Pre-Trib Rapture) Of The Church To Heaven Is Seen In 1 Thess 4:15-17 Below Is False.
1 Thess 4:15-17 Below Represents The Second Coming, Last Day Resurrection, Final Judgement, There Is No (Pre-Tribulation Rapture) seen as you claim.
1.) Is The (Second Coming) seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 below 100% Yes!
2. Is a (Resurrection Of The Believer) seen in 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!
3. Does this (Resurrection) take place on (The Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 11:23-24, John 5:28-29 100% Yes!
4. Is (The Last Day) the time of (Final Judgement) as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!
Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.
(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth;they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
And ironically, you actually proved that there is a pre-trib rapture above, in post # 54.
So, you go work through the passages that you posted, and more importantly, why don't you just post the definition of what you think the pre-trib rapture is.
I'm pretty sure that the problem here isn't the biblical definition/narrative of the pre-trib rapture, but your idea of the pre-trib.