Do you affirm That God The Father Begets and The Son is Begotten?

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Yahchristian

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aeg4971 said:
Each of us Oneness Trinitarians Unitarians alike Affirm That God The Father Begets and The Son is Begotten.
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I doubt that.

The word "begets" and the phrase "is begotten" are both present tense.

Whereas the Bible says "have begotten" which is past tense.

Hebrews 1:5... For to which of the angels did God ever say, “You are my Son, today I have begotten you”? Or again, “I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son”?

So just to test your claim...

I would like to hear from EVERYONE on this forum...

1) Do you affirm That God The Father Begets and The Son is Begotten?

I do NOT.

2) Do you affirm That God The Father Begat and The Son was Begotten?

I DO.
 
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cjab

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Orthodox Trinitarians (Nicene Creed) do say that the Son is eternally begotten, so presumably he is still being begotten to this very day. It's another reason to reject Orthodox Trinitarianism.

As to this world, "eternally begotten" is actually an oxymoron, because the word "begotten" carries the connatation that the begetting occurs at a point in time in the past. Such is also the biblical perspective in the NT. In placing the act of "being begotten" outside of time, the Nicene creed discloses itself as gnostic and impossible to relate to. Such can be seen as an ode to the inability of Greek philosophy to make Christ God.
 
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johnny guitar

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cjab said:
Orthodox Trinitarians (Nicene Creed) do say that the Son is eternally begotten, so presumably he is still being begotten to this very day. It's another reason to reject Orthodox Trinitarianism.

As to this world, "eternally begotten" is actually an oxymoron, because the word "begotten" carries the connatation that the begetting occurs at a point in time in the past. Such is also the biblical perspective in the NT. In placing the act of "being begotten" outside of time, the Nicene creed discloses itself as gnostic and impossible to relate to. Such can be seen as an ode to the inability of Greek philosophy to make Christ God.
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NO point in time with God; ONLY with men.
 
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Yahchristian

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johnny guitar said:
NO point in time with God; ONLY with men.
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So according to your TRINITARIAN view…

Has/Does God eternally send forth his Son, made of a woman?

Galatians 4:4… But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
 
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johnny guitar

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Yahchristian said:
So according to your TRINITARIAN view…

Has/Does God eternally send forth his Son, made of a woman?

Galatians 4:4… But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
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He sent His Son when the fullness of time was come.
 
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Yahchristian

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johnny guitar said:
He sent His Son when the fullness of time was come.
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Are you able to answer the questions from the original post...

1) Do you affirm That God The Father Begets and The Son is Begotten?

I do NOT.

2) Do you affirm That God The Father Begat and The Son was Begotten?

I DO.
 
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Yahchristian

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