Do you agree with these sentiments

TomFL

Well-known member
Why do you change the subject, and bring up "redemptive purpose"?
Are you truly not able to follow a conversation, or are you doing it deliberately because you know you're losing the argument?

The question was, "Is God GLORIFIED by causally determining sin?"
And the answer is, YES.

Can you give an example of sin where the Bible says God is NOT glorified by it?
Hello

The crucifixion had a redemptive purpose

Joseph's brother's selling him had a a preserving purpose

each of those was for a good purpose

Does all sin have a redemptive or preserving purpose ?

Or even a judicial purpose

Do you have any evidence of that ?









Do
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
Hello

The crucifixion had a redemptive purpose

Joseph's brother's selling him had a a preserving purpose

each of those was for a good purpose

Does all sin have a redemptive or preserving purpose ?

You're making up excuses ....

Can you give any examples of sin in the Bible that the BIBLE (not you) says does not glorify God?

You keep RUNNING AWAY from questions.
Why is that?
 

TomFL

Well-known member
You're making up excuses ....

Can you give any examples of sin in the Bible that the BIBLE (not you) says does not glorify God?

You keep RUNNING AWAY from questions.
Why is that?
You were the one who claimed God was glorified by determining all sin

Provide your evidence and stop trying to pass off your responsibility
 

Theo1689

Well-known member
You were the one who claimed God was glorified by determining all sin

Provide your evidence and stop trying to pass off your responsibility

I already did provide evidence, and I challenged you for any contrary evidence.
You keep dodging my question, because you can't support your false claim.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Why do you change the subject, and bring up "redemptive purpose"?
Are you truly not able to follow a conversation, or are you doing it deliberately because you know you're losing the argument?

The question was, "Is God GLORIFIED by causally determining sin?"
And the answer is, YES.

Can you give an example of sin where the Bible says God is NOT glorified by it?
LOL

You are dreaming

Not one of those verses stated God is glorified by all sin

In fact they do not even mention God's glory

You have yet to produce a single verse which states God gets glory in determining all sin

But tell me how you think idolatry glorifies God
 

TomFL

Well-known member
I already did provide evidence, and I challenged you for any contrary evidence.
You keep dodging my question, because you can't support your false claim.
Sorry no you didn't

not one stated God gets glory in determining all sin
 

Kampioen

Member
The question was, "Is God GLORIFIED by causally determining sin?"
And the answer is, YES.
God is glorified because God uses sin to show others His power over it.

But God's causal determination of sin is by determining existance of sin.

But the sin itself is libertarianly chosen by man, proven by that God is angered by it and blames man for it.

If sin were non-libertarianly predetermined by God then God would have only Himself to be angered at.
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
kamp

God is glorified because God uses sin to show others His power over it.

Thats definitely True, and His Wisdom Eph 3 9-11
and to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
 

Kampioen

Member
Thats definitely True, and His Wisdom Eph 3 9-11
and to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
But God using sin to show His power over it doesn't deny that God is angered and blames man for it, thus indicating man's libertarian choice.
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Why do you change the subject, and bring up "redemptive purpose"?
Are you truly not able to follow a conversation, or are you doing it deliberately because you know you're losing the argument?

The question was, "Is God GLORIFIED by causally determining sin?"
And the answer is, YES.

Can you give an example of sin where the Bible says God is NOT glorified by it?
Where is your verse stating God is glorified by causually determining all sin

None of those verses even remotely states that

You don't have one

and apparently you were unable to reason two of your verses note a redemptive or preservative purpose
the 3rd a corrective/judgmental

So explain how all sin fits into those categories

The rest is just your imagination

BTW

This is still true


Job 34:10 ¶ “Therefore, listen to me, you men of understanding.
Far be it from God to ado wickedness,
And from the Almighty to do wrong.
Job 34:11 “For He pays a man according to ahis work,
And makes 1him find it according to his way.
Job 34:12 “Surely, God will not act wickedly,
And the Almighty will not pervert justice.
 

Buzzard

Active member
Job 34:10
Furthermore :devilish: Elihu :devilish:answered and said,

TomFL;
do you know who Elihu was ???
no I guess not;

why would you want to "Parrot" the words of :devilish:Elihu :devilish:
as if they were truth ???????
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Job 34:10
Furthermore :devilish: Elihu :devilish:answered and said,

TomFL;
do you know who Elihu was ???
no I guess not;

why would you want to "Parrot" the words of :devilish:Elihu :devilish:
as if they were truth ???????
what sentiment do you object to

Job 34:10–12 —KJV
Ҧ Therefore hearken unto me, ye men of understanding: far be it from God, that he should do wickedness; and from the Almighty, that he should commit iniquity.
For the work of a man shall he render unto him, and cause every man to find according to his ways.
Yea, surely God will not do wickedly, neither will the Almighty pervert judgment.”
 

ReverendRV

Well-known member
Well I am not an Arminian

And Arminians today are not Arminius Arminians
Ain't that the truth...

I regularly tell Mr Pallman (y'all probably don't know him) that he's not an Arminian, even though he swears he is; he probably wouldn't even make a good Provisionalist. I know he disagrees with Arminius here...
 

ReverendRV

Well-known member
What ? you think man can over-rule what God has determined

you must have a different definition of predetermination
Oh by the way, all weekend I've been testing my argument that the Euthyphro Dilemma is evidence FOR Christianity. I got an Atheist to tell me it looks like I solved the dilemma, so I'll write that Gospel Tract soon; boy, I have no idea how to fit that on one Gospel Tract! Of course I didn't solve it, I'm just a country Dog Catcher; the Spiritual Gift of Discernment solved it...

So since I solved it, why don't you do me a favor and start agreeing with my Teaching?
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Ain't that the truth...

I regularly tell Mr Pallman (y'all probably don't know him) that he's not an Arminian, even though he swears he is; he probably wouldn't even make a good Provisionalist. I know he disagrees with Arminius here...
Yep Arminius began as a Geneva Calvinist
 
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