No chance of that it is not spotless and it has bad fruit. This proves it is the bad tree.I think you are worried that the Catholic Church IS the Body of Christ.
Say, I didn't know you were a Mormon, the attributes sound awful familiar.
JoeT
No chance of that it is not spotless and it has bad fruit. This proves it is the bad tree.I think you are worried that the Catholic Church IS the Body of Christ.
Say, I didn't know you were a Mormon, the attributes sound awful familiar.
JoeT
Didn't you hear the news? According to some sources that I have heard, Jesus has returned and is now is living in Brooklyn, NYYou probably remember the jw's and 1975. The sect was promoting 1975 as the time when Jesus would return. Jw's sold their homes, quit their jobs and then nothing. 1975 came and went and they all had to rethink their church. I honestly don't know what happened to them all but i'm sure many were disillusioned and never went back. Catholics here have been shown repeatedly that their church's teaching is wrong. They need to pray and lean on God to bring them to the truth.
Ones that MF doesn't start.And what thread isn't an attempt at Catholic bashing?
JoeT
Bonnie said:
I asked this question on here a couple of boards ago, and several thought it was WarriorForJesus. I remember someone named Marilynn on here who wrote that, but probably, after we got new boards in early 2010, I think she may have changed her name to WarriorForJesus.
But whatever, it just shows me that some Catholics equate their church with God, or make it equal to God, in their minds. But then, getting a Catholic to admit that its church teaches falsely would be like trying to pull impacted wisdom teeth with eye tweezers...come to think of it, pulling those teeth would probably be easier!
no, no believer is worried about that. they are part of the Body of Christ.I think you are worried that the Catholic Church IS the Body of Christ.
they should, they're catholic. the LDS is much like it.Say, I didn't know you were a Mormon, the attributes sound awful familiar.
JoeT
I gave the context. And I am bashing no one, just writing how sad it is that someone would rather become an Atheist, instead of admitting your church taught error.Without context this sounds like an excuse to make a Catholic bashing thread.
i remember about the JWs and 1975, reading about their beliefs in the newspaper and thinking what poor, deluded people they were. But that statement by WFJ really, truly shocked me. Getting them to admit to any error is almost impossible. They must defend mother church at all costs--even at the cost of the truth.You probably remember the jw's and 1975. The sect was promoting 1975 as the time when Jesus would return. Jw's sold their homes, quit their jobs and then nothing. 1975 came and went and they all had to rethink their church. I honestly don't know what happened to them all but i'm sure many were disillusioned and never went back. Catholics here have been shown repeatedly that their church's teaching is wrong. They need to pray and lean on God to bring them to the truth.
I think you are worried that the Catholic Church IS the Body of Christ.
Actually, it is YOUR church that has attributes similar to Mormonism, as Matt Slick has documented.Say, I didn't know you were a Mormon, the attributes sound awful familiar.
Wow! But you are correct--that is putting one's faith in one's church body, rather than in Christ Jesus Himself. One can fully believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and God and Savior, without membership in any formal, organized church body.Spare us the persecution complex. I heard it too. If the rcc was found to be a false church they would become an atheist. Its relying on a church not on Christ.
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Thanks for the insulting comment. Did you play the organ in your Protestant church today? I do commend Novus Ordo Archbishop Cordileone’s decision, which was good. However it is presented by many as a great victory. But it only shows how pathetic the Novus Ordo has been for the last 50 years...forums.carm.org
If anything is bashed, it is your church's many false teachings. THAT is what most of our arguments on here are about.And what thread isn't an attempt at Catholic bashing?
JoeT
Plenty. Like my church body, the LCMS. And the WELS church. The more conservative Baptist and Presbyterian churches, and the more conservative Anglican churches. Calvary Chapel. Lots out there far more focused on the Bible and teaching it than your church is. But that is for another discussion board.I remember that statement, but I don't think that it was WarriorforJesus that made it.
What church is more Bible-based than the Catholic church?
What is so "rhetorical" about the statement? She was dead serious. But it shows us that she put more faith in her church than in Jesus Christ. IF her church taught falsehood, then that meant that God didn't exist. Yet, both Jesus Christ and Paul warned us about wolves invading the church and teaching destructive heresies, leading even, if possible, the elect astray. We have seen that happen in many different churches, besides the RCC--like in most of the televangelists today. But that is for another board.I think it was WFJ and her name was Marilyn. The first principles underlying the Catholic Church and it’s teaching are so different than those underlying modern Protestantism that it’s nearly impossible for Protestants to understand a rhetorical statement like that.
The question I have is how do we determine what doctrines are true and which are false?What is so "rhetorical" about the statement? She was dead serious. But it shows us that she put more faith in her church than in Jesus Christ. IF her church taught falsehood, then that meant that God didn't exist. Yet, both Jesus Christ and Paul warned us about wolves invading the church and teaching destructive heresies, leading even, if possible, the elect astray. We have seen that happen in many different churches, besides the RCC--like in most of the televangelists today. But that is for another board.
What is so "rhetorical" about the statement? She was dead serious. But it shows us that she put more faith in her church than in Jesus Christ. IF her church taught falsehood, then that meant that God didn't exist. Yet, both Jesus Christ and Paul warned us about wolves invading the church and teaching destructive heresies, leading even, if possible, the elect astray. We have seen that happen in many different churches, besides the RCC--like in most of the televangelists today. But that is for another board.
Yes, they do warn us. Notice that they warn that 'wolves will invade the church'. Of which church are they speaking? The one Jesus gave us? Any random self-professed Bible-believing church? Where do they tell Christians to then leave that church that Jesus gave them and start another one?Yet, both Jesus Christ and Paul warned us about wolves invading the church...
Astray to where? And what are they leaving? They're leaving the church that Jesus gave us and starting their own. The one's who leave the church are the ones who are being led astray. Of course, they could always stay in the church and not start their own. But the church is still there and the deposit of faith is still the same, wolves and strayers notwithstanding.leading even, if possible, the elect astray.
Yes, that is why Jesus gave us the Pope and Magisterium to shepherd his sheep.Yes, they do warn us. Notice that they warn that 'wolves will invade the church'. Of which church are they speaking? The one Jesus gave us? Any random self-professed Bible-believing church? Where do they tell Christians to then leave that church that Jesus gave them and start another one?
Astray to where? And what are they leaving? They're leaving the church that Jesus gave us and starting their own. The one's who leave the church are the ones who are being led astray. Of course, they could always stay in the church and not start their own. But the church is still there and the deposit of faith is still the same, wolves and strayers notwithstanding.
the rcc has never been His church. nor can you post a verse from scripture that mentions it. nor can you post a verse where Jesus or an apostle mentions a 'pope' / 1 man leader over all believers. nor where an apostle taught something not supported by scripture etc.Yes, they do warn us. Notice that they warn that 'wolves will invade the church'. Of which church are they speaking? The one Jesus gave us? Any random self-professed Bible-believing church? Where do they tell Christians to then leave that church that Jesus gave them and start another one?
Astray to where? And what are they leaving? They're leaving the church that Jesus gave us and starting their own. The one's who leave the church are the ones who are being led astray. Of course, they could always stay in the church and not start their own. But the church is still there and the deposit of faith is still the same, wolves and strayers notwithstanding.
No Jesus didn't, He did not give us leaders that would harm the sheep as your leaders have done, He did not give us leaders who would allow sin to flourish and not expose it, He did not give us liars as leaders, He did not give us false teachers. Your leaders harm the sheep, lie, hid sin and allow it to flourish, they do not expose it, they lie and they teach false doctrines.Yes, that is why Jesus gave us the Pope and Magisterium to shepherd his sheep.
Compare them to what the Bible actually says, then pray to God in Christ Jesus to have one's heart opened up to understand and believe.The question I have is how do we determine what doctrines are true and which are false?
Jesus would not give us leaders that would allow its members to pray to Mary for help and comfort and salvation, or call Mary the "only hope for sinners" and encourage devotion to her, instead of to Jesus Christ. He would not give us a church body that approved of DiLiguori's book The Glories of Mary, and allowed it to be published, or make him a saint and doctor of the RCC church....No Jesus didn't, He did not give us leaders that would harm the sheep as your leaders have done, He did not give us leaders who would allow sin to flourish and not expose it, He did not give us liars as leaders, He did not give us false teachers. Your leaders harm the sheep, lie, hid sin and allow it to flourish, they do not expose it, they lie and they teach false doctrines.
Yes, they do warn us. Notice that they warn that 'wolves will invade the church'. Of which church are they speaking?
The one Jesus gave us? Any random self-professed Bible-believing church? Where do they tell Christians to then leave that church that Jesus gave them and start another one?
Astray to where? And what are they leaving? They're leaving the church that Jesus gave us and starting their own.
The one's who leave the church are the ones who are being led astray.
Of course, they could always stay in the church and not start their own.
Yes, the wolves are still in your church and those wolves still teach contrary to Scripture.But the church is still there and the deposit of faith is still the same, wolves and strayers notwithstanding.
What gives you that authoritative certainty that all of us are corrupted but your church isn't? Who declared that that makes you so certain of it?Any church that has become corrupted by error--like yours. Joel Osteen's....Kenneth Copeland....Creflo Dollar....ELCA....and others.