Does God have eyes?

[cjab]

You responded with Adhom... Why are you not denying the claims? You claim the Word is God. You claim The Father is God. The conclusion to your claims is this...The Word is not the Father therefore you have two Gods.

We've already discussed this innumerable times in the past. Further debate is pointless.

 

[John Milton]

As I have long said, you are a disinformation specialist: indeed a professional slanderer. You appear to have no inkling of the rudiments of Christianity. You even appear to be clueless that Christianity is a monotheistic religion. The scale of your incessant and gratuitious abuse levelled against other posters suggests that you know nothing of Christ or his religion. Go make your home with the heretics then, whose drivel you prefer.

You make claims; I refute your claims. You whine about being mistreated because you were proven wrong. Repeat.

 

[Newbirth]

We've already discussed this innumerable times in the past. Further debate is pointless.

because you refuse to learn.

 

[cjab]

because you refuse to learn.

I learn from scholars. From those who repudiate the bible, I have nothing to learn from.

 

[John Milton]

I learn from scholars. From those who repudiate the bible, I have nothing to learn from.

You don't understand the scholars you supposedly learn from.

 

[cjab]

You don't understand the scholars you supposedly learn from.

You never give up your persecution. I fear for your soul.

 

[John Milton]

You never give up your persecution. I fear for your soul.

Facts aren’t persecution.

 

[Newbirth]

I learn from scholars. From those who repudiate the bible, I have nothing to learn from.

You are funny...
1 Corinthians 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
.

 

[cjab]

You are funny...
1 Corinthians 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
James 1:5
If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
.

So you think you're going to be educated just by asking God? What if God tells you to go and consult a scholar? Why do we have schools and who founded them originally?

Prov 26:12 "Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him"

 

[Newbirth]

So you think you're going to be educated just by asking God?

No, you get wisdom by asking God.

What if God tells you to go and consult a scholar?

1 Cor1
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

You have been taught by the wisdom of men/scholars, and not by the HS

Why do we have schools and who founded them originally?

Your denomination probably has schools to make money.
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Prov 26:12 "Do you see a man who is wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him"

That passage describes yourself and your scholars...

 

[cjab]

No, you get wisdom by asking God.

1 Cor1
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

So you've been taught to despise everyone with learning. That suggests you can't distinguish between the babbling fool and the wise; and throw all out indiscriminately. But that is not what scripture teaches:

1Jo 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

You have been taught by the wisdom of men/scholars, and not by the HS

How do you know I haven't tried the spirits? How do I know you are not a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit? I think you are, as you repudiate scripture for the sake of your cult.

Do you not realize that every false prophet, from Montanus to David Koresh has claimed to have the Holy Spirit?

Your denomination probably has schools to make money.
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

That passage describes yourself and your scholars...

You are the one that is claiming to be so learned that you know better that the apostle John who wrote the gospel. Throwing out barbs at scholars who seek to understand what he wrote does not address what you are up to, which is denying the veracity of the gospel itself.

 

[Newbirth]

So you've been taught to despise everyone with learning.

Where did I say that?

That suggests you can't distinguish between the babbling fool and the wise; and throw all out indiscriminately.

This comment shows that you are not aware that the Hs teaches. The scripture makes the distinction between the fool and the wise...
1 Corinthians 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
Clearly yo have put your faith in the scholars..

But that is not what scripture teaches:

1Jo 4:1 "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world."

And you have been tested and found wanting... Your trust is in the scholars and not in God.

How do you know I haven't tried the spirits?

Because your trust is in the scholars.

How do I know you are not a blasphemer of the Holy Spirit?

Because you trust in the scholars and I trust in God.

I think you are, as you repudiate scripture for the sake of your cult.

What you think is of no importance. You also think that scholars can override the context of scripture

Do you not realize that every false prophet, from Montanus to David Koresh has claimed to have the Holy Spirit?

At least they make a claim even if it is false, the scripture already predicted that... You totally reject the HS.

You are the one that is claiming to be so learned that you know better that the apostle John who wrote the gospel.

I never made that claim...We are reading a translation of the scripture. The context of the scripture does not teach two Gods, a defacto God and a true God. it teaches one God.

Throwing out barbs at scholars who seek to understand what he wrote does not address what you are up to, which is denying the veracity of the gospel itself.

Again I must emphasize that it is God who gives understanding...You and your scholars are seeking understanding by way of grammar...not from God.

 

[cjab]

Where did I say that?

This comment shows that you are not aware that the Hs teaches. The scripture makes the distinction between the fool and the wise...
1 Corinthians 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
Clearly yo have put your faith in the scholars..

You have condemned all scholars indiscriminately. What is wrong with you? You seem to be an anti-intellecual.

And you have been tested and found wanting... Your trust is in the scholars and not in God.

You like judging people. If your trust was in God, you wouldn't judge so hastily.

Because your trust is in the scholars.

Because you trust in the scholars and I trust in God.

That is a perfectly illogical stratement, seeing as how you repudiate the bible, and they don't.

What you think is of no importance. You also think that scholars can override the context of scripture

You override scripture by saying "The word was not God."

At least they make a claim even if it is false, the scripture already predicted that... You totally reject the HS.

You don't know what they say, as you won't read them or understand them.

I never made that claim...We are reading a translation of the scripture. The context of the scripture does not teach two Gods, a defacto God and a true God. it teaches one God.

Indeed. It also teaches God is one.

Again I must emphasize that it is God who gives understanding...You and your scholars are seeking understanding by way of grammar...not from God.

You understand nothing.

 

[Newbirth]

You have condemned all scholars indiscriminately. What is wrong with you? You seem to be an anti-intellecual.

I have not condemned anyone please show me where I condemned them. I did not make any claim against any intellectual.

You like judging people.

Who did I judge?

If your trust was in God, you wouldn't judge so hastily.

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
As a saint, I am qualified to judge. But you are yet to show me who I judged.

That is a perfectly illogical stratement, seeing as how you repudiate the bible, and they don't.

You and they both teach two Gods, a defacto God, and a true God. I reject your teachings.

You override scripture by saying "The word was not God."

No, I don't. The scripture says to us there is one God the Father. As a matter of fact Jesus said his father is the only true God and the only true God sent him...
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

If the word was God then John is contradicting Jesus.

You don't know what they say, as you won't read them or understand them.

Who cares what they are saying? I know that you are saying the word is God which contradicts Jesus. There is an error in the text and in your understanding

Indeed. It also teaches God is one.

Yes, it does therefore there is no defacto God.

You understand nothing.

You understand there are two Gods a defacto God and a true God. That puts me in a better position than you. It makes you a polytheist.

 

[cjab]

I have not condemned anyone please show me where I condemned them. I did not make any claim against any intellectual.

You continually contradict yourself, which is a speciality of those who don't know what they're talking about. For some time now, you've been indiscriminately condemning all scholars as without the Holy Spirit.

Who did I judge?

1 Corinthians 6:2
Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
As a saint, I am qualified to judge. But you are yet to show me who I judged.

I don't credit you as a saint, as you deny scripture (and for other reasons including excessive judgementalism).

You and they both teach two Gods, a defacto God, and a true God. I reject your teachings.

So you reject Christ, for Christ did not condemn Thomas when he acknowledged Christ as de facto God of himself in Jn 20:28 (that is de facto God by virtue of his own relation to the Father).

No, I don't. The scripture says to us there is one God the Father. As a matter of fact Jesus said his father is the only true God and the only true God sent him...
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

If the word was God then John is contradicting Jesus.

No-one has ever spoken contrary to John 17:3. You fabricate charges you are not qualified to bring. De facto God is not true God.

Who cares what they are saying? I know that you are saying the word is God which contradicts Jesus. There is an error in the text and in your understanding

No, I said "the word WAS God." The tense "WAS" is crucial, as it imports the context of eternity. Jesus did not say "I am God" which would have been quite wrong.

Yes, it does therefore there is no defacto God.

You understand there are two Gods a defacto God and a true God. That puts me in a better position than you. It makes you a polytheist.

No, because de facto God has full power and authority of de jure God and sits on God's throne.

Tell me, which locale in heaven does Jesus currently reside in? You need to be very precise here.

 

[Newbirth]

You continually contradict yourself, which is a speciality of those who don't know what they're talking about. For some time now, you've been indiscriminately condemning all scholars as without the Holy Spirit.

I condemned no one...I posted the scriptures.

I don't credit you as a saint, as you deny scripture (and for other reasons including excessive judgementalism).

I don't care about your credit. I deny the nonsense that you are spewing. You are teaching a defacto God apart from God the father.

So you reject Christ, for Christ did not condemn Thomas when he acknowledged Christ as de facto God of himself in Jn 20:28 (that is de facto God by virtue of his own relation to the Father).

Thomas did not mention a defacto God... He said My Lord and My God....Jesus said he was ascending to his God.
Thomas understood that Jesus has a God. The scripture says God made Jesus Lord. Thomas realized that Jesus is his Lord and the Father is God.

No-one has ever spoken contrary to John 17:3. You fabricate charges you are not qualified to bring. De facto God is not true God.

In Jn 17:3 Jesus is praying to his God. There is no mention of a defacto God being sent.

No, I said "the word WAS God." The tense "WAS" is crucial, as it imports the context of eternity.

Then you are saying the Word was God while the Father was also God. The Word is not the father, is he?

Jesus did not say "I am God" which would have been quite wrong.

Neither did he say he was God which would have also been quite wrong

No, because de facto God has full power and authority of de jure God and sits on God's throne.

There are not two Gods... You are teaching two Gods...that is just shameless.

Tell me, which locale in heaven does Jesus currently reside in? You need to be very precise here.

The right hand of God his father.
Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

 

[cjab]

I condemned no one...I posted the scriptures.

You speak disingenuously. Here is a selection of your comments attacking scholars indiscriminately, without distinction:

This comment shows that you are not aware that the Hs teaches. The scripture makes the distinction between the fool and the wise...
1 Corinthians 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Clearly yo have put your faith in the scholars..

And you have been tested and found wanting... Your trust is in the scholars and not in God.

Because your trust is in the scholars.

Because you trust in the scholars and I trust in God.

I don't care about your credit. I deny the nonsense that you are spewing. You are teaching a defacto God apart from God the father.

Thomas did not mention a defacto God... He said My Lord and My God....Jesus said he was ascending to his God.
Thomas understood that Jesus has a God. The scripture says God made Jesus Lord. Thomas realized that Jesus is his Lord and the Father is God.

Thomas was well aware that the Father was God. Jesus took Thomas's exclamation as an expression of faith in himself.

In Jn 17:3 Jesus is praying to his God. There is no mention of a defacto God being sent.

Boring

Then you are saying the Word was God while the Father was also God. The Word is not the father, is he?

You are insensate to the rudiments of English and Greek grammar and not fit to teach anyone.

James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness."

What makes you think you've got the qualities to become a teacher, since you are so badly educated?

Neither did he say he was God which would have also been quite wrong

There are not two Gods... You are teaching two Gods...that is just shameless.

No, I'm not teaching two Gods as I acknowledge the Father as true God.

The right hand of God his father.
Romans 8:34
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

I gave you the answer in fact: Jesus is seated on God's throne. Rev 3:21 "To him that shall overcome, I will give to sit with me in my throne: as I also have overcome, and am set down with my Father in his throne."

And you maintain Jesus has no God-like powers? You are the heretic.

 

[Newbirth]

You speak disingenuously. Here is a selection of your comments attacking scholars indiscriminately, without distinction:

This comment shows that you are not aware that the Hs teaches. The scripture makes the distinction between the fool and the wise...
1 Corinthians 2:5
That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Your argument is with Paul, not with me... You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

Clearly yo have put your faith in the scholars..

You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

And you have been tested and found wanting... Your trust is in the scholars and not in God.

You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

Because your trust is in the scholars.

You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

Because you trust in the scholars and I trust in God.

You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

Thomas was well aware that the Father was God. Jesus took Thomas's exclamation as an expression of faith in himself.

So what is your point for posting about Thomas...? Thomas does not mention a defacto God.

Boring

What is boring about this fact...In Jn 17:3 Jesus is praying to his God. There is no mention of a defacto God being sent

You are insensate to the rudiments of English and Greek grammar and not fit to teach anyone.

James 3:1 "Not many of you should become teachers, my brothers and sisters, for you know that we who teach will be judged with greater strictness."

What makes you think you've got the qualities to become a teacher, since you are so badly educated?

The fact that I am not teaching in the words that man's wisdom teaches as instructed.
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

No, I'm not teaching two Gods as I acknowledge the Father as true God.

Since you acknowledge the Father as the (only) true God, then the defacto God is a false God. Please tell us who is your defacto God.

I gave you the answer in fact: Jesus is seated on God's throne. Rev 3:21 "To him that shall overcome, I will give to sit with me in my throne: as I also have overcome, and am set down with my Father in his throne."

Is that in heaven? Is Jesus's father the only true God? Rev 3:21 does not nullify Jesus is in heaven and Jesus ' father is his God... Neither does it make Jesus a defacto God.

And you maintain Jesus has no God-like powers? You are the heretic.

I maintain that God-like powers do not make Jesus God or a defacto God.

 

[cjab]

Your argument is with Paul, not with me... You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

You want to stand in the wisdom of men. Paul says you should not do it.

My argument is not with Paul, but with you, for asserting indiscriminately that scholars do have the Holy Spirit and/or aren't Christians.

So what is your point for posting about Thomas...? Thomas does not mention a defacto God.

He does: "The God of me" which was said with Jesus' future ascension clearly in mind.

What is boring about this fact...In Jn 17:3 Jesus is praying to his God. There is no mention of a defacto God being sent

Jesus the man was not God. The ascended Jesus is a different entity entirely, as we have discussed, as "in the form of God."

The fact that I am not teaching in the words that man's wisdom teaches as instructed.
1 Corinthians 2:13
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

You are commanded to make distinctions according to the Spirit: yet you indiscriminately attack anyone who doesn't agree with you as without the Spirit. That is what cults are made of.

So prove to me that the scholar Georg Benedikt Winer did not have the Holy Spirit.

Since you acknowledge the Father as the (only) true God, then the defacto God is a false God. Please tell us who is your defacto God.

The Father is in Christ, and Christ in the Father. You blaspheme both the Father and Christ if you deny it.

Is that in heaven? Is Jesus's father the only true God? Rev 3:21 does not nullify Jesus is in heaven and Jesus ' father is his God... Neither does it make Jesus a defacto God.

"De facto God" relates to creation only and to humanity only. Rev 3:14 Christ "the Ruler of God's creation."

I maintain that God-like powers do not make Jesus God or a defacto God.

When you acknowledge the extent of Jesus' powers, you might change your mind.

 

[Newbirth]

My argument is not with Paul, but with you, for asserting indiscriminately that scholars do have the Holy Spirit and/or aren't Christians.

You are making baseless assertions. You are the one saying that your scholars are using grammar to prove scripture.

God never called anyone to be a Christian. If a person decides to call himself a Christian that is his or her business.

He does: "The God of me" which was said with Jesus' future ascension clearly in mind.

Now you are making yourself a mind reader. If Thomas is saying that Jesus is God in the passage why do you argue that Jesus is not God?

Jesus the man was not God. The ascended Jesus is a different entity entirely, as we have discussed, as "in the form of God."

Then you are saying that the ascended Jesus is a God apart from his Father who is the only true God. That is two Gods.

You are commanded to make distinctions according to the Spirit: yet you indiscriminately attack anyone who doesn't agree with you as without the Spirit. That is what cults are made of.

You are wrong...I have proven that your doctrine is not supported in the scripture. You are teaching that the ascended Jesus is a defacto God apart from the only true God his father. Clearly, you are asserting two Gods.

So prove to me that the scholar Georg Benedikt Winer did not have the Holy Spirit.

I don't know the person. If he is teaching you and what you claim are his words then he is not of God.

The Father is in Christ, and Christ in the Father. You blaspheme both the Father and Christ if you deny it.

I deny a defacto God. Christ being in his father who is God does not make Christ God. If that is the case it means if you are in Christ that makes you Christ.

"De facto God" relates to creation only and to humanity only. Rev 3:14 Christ "the Ruler of God's creation."

There is no defacto God to the believer. There is only one God to the believer and that God is the father.

When you acknowledge the extent of Jesus' powers, you might change your mind.

All Jesus' power comes from God his father...