Does Gods Meticulous Determination, Of All Things, Make God Evil?

Theo1689

Well-known member
Funny but you quoted merriam Webster yourself

So were you abusing a dictionary

In any case a look at variou translations leads one to the same conclusion


(MLV2017) But I wished to do nothing without your viewpoint; in order that your good deed may not be according to necessity, but according to your voluntary deed.
(ALT) But I wanted to do nothing without your consent, so that your good [deed] shall not be as by necessity but by a voluntary [action].
(Mace) but I would not do any thing without your consent; that your benefaction might not appear any ways forc'd, but perfectly voluntary.
(Douay-Rheims) D:ModulesBut without thy counsel I would do nothing: that thy good deed might not be as it were of necessity, but voluntary.
(EMTV) But I wished to do nothing without your consent, in order that your good might not be by necessity, but by being voluntary.

"Voluntary" simply means, "of the will".
 
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TomFL

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Um, nope.
You are ASSUMING they are using the term "free will" in a theological sense.
No assumptions

Bible translations tend to do that

In any case the discussion concerned the meaning of voluntary as was used in a post

Two dictionaries used free will in defining voluntary

Here is a third

voluntary​

[ vol-uhn-ter-ee ]SHOW IPA

SEE SYNONYMS FOR voluntary ON THESAURUS.COM

adjective​

done, made, brought about, undertaken, etc., of one's own accord or by free choice:
 

Sketo

Well-known member
No assumptions

Bible translations tend to do that

In any case the discussion concerned the meaning of voluntary as was used in a post

Two dictionaries used free will in defining voluntary

Here is a third

voluntary​

[ vol-uhn-ter-ee ]SHOW IPA

SEE SYNONYMS FOR voluntary ON THESAURUS.COM

adjective​

done, made, brought about, undertaken, etc., of one's own accord or by free choice:

Then why can’t you start using “voluntary” will instead of “free” will since...

The “will” is not...
Free” from want...
Free” from bias...
Free” from the hearts desire...
Free” from sin character...
Free” from sin nature...
Free” from sin-set-of-options created by the above faculties... for the will!

Wouldn’t you agree that “voluntary” is closer to the biblical definition because it doesn’t carry these false connotations?
 
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TomFL

Guest
Then why can’t you start using “voluntary” will instead of “free” will since...

The “will” is not...
Free” from want...
Free” from bias...
Free” from the hearts desire...
Free” from sin character...
Free” from sin nature...
Free” from sin-set-of-options created by the above faculties... for the will!

Wouldn’t you agree that “voluntary” is closer to the biblical definition because it doesn’t carry these false connotations?
Because I not want to hide truth

All those things you mention are internal to the man

It is external coercion which makes the will not free



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Sketo

Well-known member
Because I not want to hide truth
But the term "free" does hide the truth where "voluntary" does not! Wouldnt you want to use the more truthful term instead of a term that carries false, unbiblical, connotations?
All those things you mention are internal to the man
But "those things" are the false unbiblical connotations that many are deceived into believing. Does this not matter to you?
It is external coercion which makes the will not free
And "voluntary" does not change this...

Then why can’t you start using “voluntary” will instead of “free” will since...

The “will” is not...
Free” from want...
Free” from bias...
Free” from the hearts desire...
Free” from sin character...
Free” from sin nature...
Free” from sin-set-of-options created by the above faculties... for the will!

Wouldn’t you agree that “voluntary” is closer to the biblical definition because it doesn’t carry these false connotations?
 

preacher4truth

Well-known member
But the term "free" does hide the truth where "voluntary" does not! Wouldnt you want to use the more truthful term instead of a term that carries false, unbiblical, connotations?

But "those things" are the false unbiblical connotations that many are deceived into believing. Does this not matter to you?

And "voluntary" does not change this...
He has an unbiblical anthropology, an exalted view of man. His religion reminds me of Masonic beliefs, mere humanism.
 

Sketo

Well-known member
In this CCShort Collin corrects a common misunderstanding of what Sin and Evil is. Then he explains how that common misunderstanding has caused a common misrepresentation of Calvinism.

A false foundational understanding in Provisionism leads to many misrepresentations…

 
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