Does it prove that apostoles preached baptism for salvation?

[Our Lord's God]

Of course, "not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ"

Baptism does not mearly remove dirt, it is regenerative, as St. Paul wrote to Titus, "not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,"

Yes but not quite.

Water baptism is dying with Christ. We are not saved in the dying with him (putting away the filth of the flesh") but in the being raised up with him to resurrection life by the Spirit - Spirit baptism. We are saved through water baptism because you must die with him before you can be raised up with him to new life in Spirit baptism. In this way one is saved through water baptism not in the dying with Christ itself. That's Peter's point concerning the words, "not the putting away the filth of the flesh."

And Peter's words have nothing to do with water washing dirt off a body. That's a ridiculous translation and interpretation. Whoever would suppose they were saved by having a simple bath? Nobody.

Oh my friend, not only do I listen to them during our Liturgical services, but believe it or not, I'm part of a group at my Church that does a Bible study of the Sunday readings 😮 as well as my own personal reading of Scripture.

Thanks for the Christian charity


you are too funny!




We are not all like you Theo

 

[ziapueblo]

And Peter's words have nothing to do with water washing dirt off a body.

Off course you are correct, "not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God." Baptism is the "washing of regeneration."

 

[Our Lord's God]

Off course you are correct, "not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God." Baptism is the "washing of regeneration."

Not a pledge but an appeal. When we die with Christ we are trusting God to raise us up with him.

 

[BJ Bear]

Need some help with your reading comprehension?

Yes, you do. Read it again.

who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were saved through water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you—not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience—through the resurrection of Jesus Christ

Baptism with water is not the same as water baptism.

 

[BJ Bear]

Again you demonstrate that you don't have an original thought in your head, and you just blindly repeat what others say. No wonder you believe what you do about baptism.

There was a time in the body of Christ when original thoughts or novel ideas were terms that were synonymous with heresy. While that time may have passed in some sects and was not prevalent in cults there are still churches where echoing Scripture is known to be the faithful witness.

Look, this "exchange" is getting nowhere, so I don't understand why you feel the need to continue it.

"Look, this "exchange" is getting nowhere, so I don't understand why you feel the need to continue it."

You have a position, you've tried to convince me, and you failed miserably. You can't say the same thing about me, since I never TRIED to convince you of my view, I have no need to, and I don't see the point in wasting my time.

"You have a position, you've tried to convince me, and you failed miserably." And when you tried and failed you just called what Scripture says false teachings, etc.

God bless.

God bless you.