Does Regeneration Precede... “Will Be Saved”?

TomFL

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No spiritual life, no spiritual eating and drinking, which basically is another way of saying believe on Christ
You are regurgitating your theology at scripture's expense

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You are regurgitating your theology at scripture's expense

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”
Its common sense really, how can a spiritually dead person perform a spiritual act ?
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Its common sense really, how can a spiritually dead person perform a spiritual act ?
Because dead just means separated from God not inert

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

One should not attempt to rationalize away scripture
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Because dead just means separated from God not inert

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

One should not attempt to rationalize away scripture
Dead means without life. Take a look at a dead person in their coffin, they are separated from this physical life. Spiritually dead are spiritually separated from spiritual life, and likewise lie dead and motionless as the physically dead person is, Its common sense !
 

TomFL

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Dead means without life. Take a look at a dead person in their coffin, they are separated from this physical life. Spiritually dead are spiritually separated from spiritual life, and likewise lie dead and motionless as the physically dead person is, Its common sense !
What did you not understand

Because dead just means separated from God not inert

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

One should not attempt to rationalize away scripture
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
What did you not understand

Because dead just means separated from God not inert

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”

Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.”

One should not attempt to rationalize away scripture
What you didn't understand ? No life no activity. Dictionary defines dead:

deprived of life : no longer alive

lacking power to move, feel, or respond
 

TomFL

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What you didn't understand ? No life no activity. Dictionary defines dead:

deprived of life : no longer alive

lacking power to move, feel, or respond
Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead
Its not wrong save in your imagination
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Its not wrong save in your imagination
You failed to address what was posted

Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
You failed to address what was posted

Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead
I already addressed it a few times !
 

TomFL

Well-known member
I already addressed it a few times !
No you did not

Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead
I already addressed it a few times !
Nope

you never did


Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
No you did not

Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead

Nope

you never did


Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead
Yes I did
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Yes I did
Prove it


Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Prove it


Wrong understanding of dead

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot believe?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see

Well all this was done to those who were spiritually dead
You have to go back and read
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
There is nothing to read

Would you harden a corpse so it cannot esitbelieve?

Would you speak to a corpse in parables to hide truth ?

would you put a blindfold on a corpse so it could not see
Yes it is. You ignored it or scoffed it like normal
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Yes it is. You ignored it or scoffed it like normal
Then why can't you present it

In any case the issue of the op is clear

John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

Acts 11:18 —ESV
“When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.””

faith and repentance precede life
 

brightfame52

Well-known member
Then why can't you present it

In any case the issue of the op is clear

John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

Acts 11:18 —ESV
“When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.””

faith and repentance precede life
Already have. Life is before activity. How can a dead person act? Next time you at a funeral go to the dead corpse and ask them to drink a cup of coffee with you
 

TomFL

Well-known member
Already have. Life is before activity. How can a dead person act? Next time you at a funeral go to the dead corpse and ask them to drink a cup of coffee with you
No you have not

and those who believed already had physical life

scripture still shows

Acts 11:18 —ESV
“When they heard these things they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, “Then to the Gentiles also God has granted repentance that leads to life.””

John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”

scripture bear rationalization every time
 
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