Does Regeneration Precede... “Will Be Saved”?

TomFL

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That's scriptural.Spiritual Life produces faith and repentance
Luke places repentance before life

Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

so does this

Ezek. 18:32 —KJV
“For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.”
 

brightfame52

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Luke places repentance before life

Acts 11:18 —KJV
“When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

so does this

Ezek. 18:32 —KJV
“For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.”
Only in your imagination. Life brings faith and repentance.
 

brightfame52

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Romans 2:5 simply affirms that some people's hearts are hardened. It says nothing about how they escape that stony heart.
That some people are men in general. Rom 2:1

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
 

Theo1689

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According to you and Calvinism maybe, but not according to Jesus. Jesus says, "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved." That puts the burden of responsibility for "believing" on the believer, not on God.

How do you get, "that puts the burden of responsibility for 'believing' on the believer", from "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved"?

You are making a HUMONGOUS jump here.

If Jesus had wanted to say it your way, he would have had say it like this, "Whosoever is made to believe by God shall be saved!"

He basically did.
Phil. 1:29.
Rom. 12:3
2 Pet. 1:1
Eph. 2:8.

But hey, if you want to play the stupid, "If Jesus had wanted to say" game, then please note that He ALSO didn't say, "Whosoever, and by this I mean every single individual on Earth, who freely with their free will autonomously CHOOSES to believe with no help from God, he shall be saved".

If that is what Jesus wanted to say, he would have said it that way. The fact that he didn't is evidence that that is not what he wanted to say.

So you just proved your own theology to be false.
Congratulations!
 

brightfame52

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John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
That's written to the born again. That doesn't apply to the unregenerate. The scriptures are not written to the unregenerate.
 

brightfame52

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Basic English

repentance unto life

repentance to Life

puts repentance first

Repent and live does not mean you must live before repenting
See what you quote of scripture and what you understand of scripture are two entirely different things.
 

zerinus

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Only in your imagination. Life brings faith and repentance.
The Bible says that people are responsible for the hardness of their own hearts:

Zechariah 7:

8 And the word of the Lord came unto Zechariah, saying,
9 Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Execute true judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:
10 And oppress not the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor; and let none of you imagine evil against his brother in your heart.
11 But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.
12 Yea, they made their hearts as an adamant stone, lest they should hear the law, and the words which the Lord of hosts hath sent in his spirit by the former prophets: therefore came a great wrath from the Lord of hosts.
13 Therefore it is come to pass, that as he [God] cried, and they would not hear; so they cried, and I [God] would not hear, saith the Lord of hosts:
14 But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations whom they knew not. Thus the land was desolate after them, that no man passed through nor returned: for they laid the pleasant land desolate.
 

TomFL

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That's written to the born again. That doesn't apply to the unregenerate. The scriptures are not written to the unregenerate.
Absurd

The born again already have life

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
 

brightfame52

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Absurd

The born again already have life

John 20:31 —KJV
“But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.”
Scripture is not for the natural man. It's for the babes in Christ, the lambs,
 

zerinus

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That some people are men in general. Rom 2:1

Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things.
That is referring to "man" who passes unrighteous judgement. He is not saying that every man is passing unrighteous judgement. Some do and some don't. He is condemning the ones that do. He is not saying that everyone does.
 
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