PeanutGallery
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One must have life in order to obtain life?
Does Regeneration Precede... “Will Be Saved”?
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Once again you ignore scripture to quote your human philosophy
John 20:31 —ESV
“but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.”
faith precedes spiritual life
brightfame52
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Like stated, its common sense to know you have to be living to act. Can a dead person eat or drink ?Next time you go to a funeral try it and let me know what happened lol
Theo1689
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Please quote where the poster ever made that claim.
Otherwise you are simply beating at a straw man.
Perhaps he was referring to a Calvinist belief that one must be regenerated to have faith so he can have eternal life
as regeneration is new life
that would equate to one having life to get life
but he can answer for himself
PeanutGallery
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Read post #165.
Theo1689
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That is true and Biblical.
So you are now CONFLATING "regeneration" and "life", and trying to make them mean the same thing (when they don't), and then fallaciously trying to get the other person to "prove" an error that YOU made up.
That's called a "straw-man", and it's fallacious.
PeanutGallery
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Here are the two occurences of regeneration:
This speaks of Christ's coming:
Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
This speaks of regeneration of those who believe; not, regeneration in order to believe.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Sorry how is it you cannot get through your head regeneration is new life and even the Calvinist theologies admit that
REGENERATION
§ 1. Usage of the Word
The subjective change wrought in the soul by the grace of God, is variously designated in Scripture. It is called a new birth, a resurrection, a new life, a new creature,
Charles Hodge, Systematic Theology, vol. 3 (Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997), 3.
VI. Regeneration and Effectual Calling
A. The Scriptural Terms for Regeneration and Their Implications
1. THE TERMS THAT COME INTO CONSIDERATION. The Greek word for “regeneration” (palingenesia) is found only in Matt. 19:28 and Titus 3:5; and only in the last named passage does it refer to the beginning of the new life in the individual Christian.
Berkhof's systematic theology
Regeneration
What does it mean to be born again?
EXPLANATION AND SCRIPTURAL BASIS
We may define regeneration as follows: Regeneration is a secret act of God in which he imparts new spiritual life to us. This is sometimes called “being born again” (using language from John 3:3–8).
Grudem's systematic theology
You have been corrected on this previously
You need to accept your correction
Lexicon added for good measure
3824 παλιγγενεσία, παλινγενεσία [paliggenesia /pal·ing·ghen·es·ee·ah/] n f. From 3825 and 1078; TDNT 1:686; TDNTA 117; GK 4098 and 4100; Two occurrences; AV translates as “regeneration” twice. 1 new birth, reproduction, renewal, recreation, regeneration. 1A hence renovation, regeneration, the production of a new life consecrated to God, a radical change of mind for the better.
brightfame52
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It's apparent that you don't study .
brightfame52
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A person has eternal life in them before they can believe. Eternal life is also that spiritual life that the elect are quickened with, resurrection life.
PeanutGallery
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You mean study Calvinism?
brightfame52
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You don't study the scriptures
Sorry not according to the bible
John 3:36 —KJV
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
brightfame52
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You don't have the slightest idea about that verse.
Apparently as his ideas do not come from the bible and contradict it
I will let the readers determine who does not have the slightest idea
John 3:36 —KJV
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
The bible already showed unbelievers do not have eternal life
brightfame52
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Life precedes activity. Common sense
Scripture states
John 3:36 —KJV
“He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
And The bible shows unbelievers do not have eternal life
So you are just unbiblical
brightfame52
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You gonna give a dead person something to eat? Lol