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Would it be fair to say John the Baptist preached the gospel in Matthew 3:11
[Please read this through to the end before responding, because until you do, you won't know where you will want to put your comments]My point is..
Mark 16:16 is a true statement and John the Baptist preached the one who comes after me will baptized in the Holy Spirit
Matthew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire..
WHY would Jesus say John only baptized in water after the Great commission ?Matthew 28:19 in ACTS 1:5
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
If Jesus in Matthew 28:19 was referring to water baptism Jesus would have said nothing about John baptizing with water in Acts 1:5 At that point everybody would have been baptizing in water.
What if Jesus was telling the 12 disciples in Matthew 28:19 ,what John the Baptist preached for JESUS would baptize in the name of the father son and Holy Spirit.
DOSE the baptism of the Holy Spirit save?
The same reason God used water to make the Atlantic Ocean. Baptism like the Atlantic Ocean is comprised of water.The big question is ...
why did John the Baptist use water to baptize ?
We need to take it for granted that the inspired writer of the New Testament knew Christian doctrine, because if they don't we can't.I believe the answer starts with....
John 1:10
He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, THE WORLD DID NOT RECOGNIZE HIM.
Here in JOHN 1:31-34 John the Baptist answered the question...
I myself did not know him, but the reason I came baptizing with water was that he might be revealed to Israel.”
32 Then John gave this testimony: “I saw the Spirit come down from heaven as a DOVE and remain on him. 33 And I myself did not know him, but THE ONE WHO SENT ME TO BAPTIZE WITH WATER TOLD ME , ‘The man on whom you see the Spirit come down and remain is the one who WILL BAPTIZE WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT .’ 34 I have seen and I testify that this is God’s Chosen One
So what I understand is John the Baptist was the one to identify the Son of God and have a testimony.
Now John the Baptist I believe immersed people in water looking for a" DOVE" and that was the baptism of repentance because the people being immersed in water were repenting of their sins but when Jesus was baptized the heavens opened up and the DOVE came down, john fulfilled his testimony by seeing the DOVE knowing Jesus was the Son of God.
With that said.. I believe today we have a misunderstanding of water baptism because of what John the Baptist preached, for I baptized with water specifying ONLY him telling people that the one coming after him will baptized in the Holy Spirit which is the baptism that saves...
The fact is John the Baptist water baptism had nothing to do what today's believers baptism Today a problem people conflating water baptism with John the baptists.
To make it short.. I believe Paul was chosen a go to the gentiles because Peter in Acts 10:48 should have never baptized the gentiles in water because they had already received the baptism of the Holy Spirit and saved. in Galatians 2:14 Paul opposes Peter for forcing gentiles to follow old Jewish customs...
My point is..
Mark 16:16 is a true statement and John the Baptist preached the one who comes after me will baptized in the Holy Spirit
Matthew 3:11
“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire..
WHY would Jesus say John only baptized in water after the Great commission ?Matthew 28:19 in ACTS 1:5
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit.”
If Jesus in Matthew 28:19 was referring to water baptism Jesus would have said nothing about John baptizing with water in Acts 1:5 At that point everybody would have been baptizing in water.
What if Jesus was telling the 12 disciples in Matthew 28:19 ,what John the Baptist preached for JESUS would baptize in the name of the father son and Holy Spirit.
DOSE the baptism of the Holy Spirit save?
He was the forerunner and witness to the Messiah. He could not have preached the gospel prior to Jesus preaching it. And blessed John was beheaded before he heard Jesus preach.Would it be fair to say John the Baptist preached the gospel in Matthew 3:11
What do you make of John 3:22-24?He was the forerunner and witness to the Messiah. He could not have preached the gospel prior to Jesus preaching it. And blessed John was beheaded before he heard Jesus preach.
If Jesus were not preaching what did his converts believe they were being baptized into?it states both Jesus and John baptized.
Fair enough.we are not told in that passage.
there 2 types of baptismThe same reason God used water to make the Atlantic Ocean. Baptism like the Atlantic Ocean is comprised of water.
We need to take it for granted that the inspired writer of the New Testament knew Christian doctrine, because if they don't we can't.
There is only one Christian baptism [Ephesians 4:5].there 2 types of baptism
Christian baptism is a ceremony performed in water [Acts 8:36-39].1 by water
Holy Spirit baptism is a real miracle, but it's only a baptism in the analogical sense of the word. Therefore as Paul said there is only one literal Christian Baptism [Ephesians 4:5].2 by Holy Spirit (tongues of fire)
I think I misunderstood your answer here. I believe you are saying we are not told what Jesus was teaching. I thought you were saying we are not told whether Jesus and John's paths crossed on this occasion exactly.we are not told in that passage.
There is only one Christian baptism [Ephesians 4:5].
Christian baptism is a ceremony performed in water [Acts 8:36-39].
Holy Spirit baptism is a real miracle, but it's only a baptism in the analogical sense of the word. Therefore as Paul said there is only one literal Christian Baptism [Ephesians 4:5].
In my post #10, I stated that John and Jesus were both baptizing in the same area, together. In 3.22, it states, after this (after his discourse with Nic). so they dont run together. we are told John was baptising for repentance in chapter 1. that is all we are told. chapter 4 states Jesus did nt baptize but his disciples did.I think I misunderstood your answer here. I believe you are saying we are not told what Jesus was teaching. I thought you were saying we are not told whether Jesus and John's paths crossed on this occasion exactly.
Assuming you are saying we are not told what Jesus was preaching, you don't think we can draw some kind of inference from his conversation with Nicodemus that ended in verse 21? I think that is why these passages run together, personally.
Johns baptism (by immersion) was for repentance. He never preached death-burial-resurrection of Jesus, so he never preached the gospel. He prepared the hearts of the people to receive Christ and his gospel.there 2 types of baptism
1 by water
2 by Holy Spirit (tongues of fire)
Verse 21 is the end of the dialogue with Nicodemus, verse 22 is the next thing they did which is connected with the words "After these things." Night time meetings are the exception, not the rule.In my post #10, I stated that John and Jesus were both baptizing in the same area, together. In 3.22, it states, after this (after his discourse with Nic). so they dont run together.
Mark 1:4 givens us a bit more information, that John was preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins, as you may remember.we are told John was baptising for repentance in chapter 1. that is all we are told.
That parenthetical note in verse 2 does not negate the grammar and syntax of verse one. Namely, "the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John." Did the Lord know this to be true, or did the Lord know this to be false? Those who were baptized by Jesus disciples were baptized under the Lords authority and direction.chapter 4 states Jesus did nt baptize but his disciples did.
Indeed. I think Mark 1:4 helps.the beauty of having 4 gospel accounts is so we can have a broader perspective, 4 views.