You misquoted me as clever Acts skippers do.
You are still dodging the fact that these Gentiles were saved before their water baptism.
Heretics often do this.
You misquoted me as clever Acts skippers do.
Functionally, The INFILLING of the Holy Spirit = is being "Born Again of the Holy Spirit". THAT is what saves and CHANGES the person. This happened for the first time at John 20:22 when Jesus "Breathed on them" and imparted the Holy Spirit into their lives.Does the Baptism of the Holy Spirit..save ?
You dismiss this....You are still dodging the fact that these Gentiles were saved before their water baptism.
Heretics often do this.
I got remission of sins via baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.I dealt with those, heretic.
You got nothing!
Sorry, I don't see the contradiction....in contradiction to the passages I cited.
They received the Holy Spirit (Acts 10:47) before their water baptism (Acts 10:48).
I got remission of sins via baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.
I don't believe he's referring to their salvation in Acts 10:47.
If he were he wouldn't have needed to command them to be baptized in the name of Jesus.
Yes, when the gentiles received the Holy Ghost, it fell on them unsuspectedly.Sorry, I don't see the contradiction.
"Receive" implies that the person receiving took some action. The Gentiles didn't even know what was going to happen. And while Luke does use the word "receive" when quoting Peter in Acts 10:47, he also adds the words "just as we have" which tells me he's referring to Pentecost when the Jews spoke in tongues. I don't believe he's referring to their salvation in Acts 10:47. If he were he wouldn't have needed to command them to be baptized in the name of Jesus.
Notice, Acts 2, 8 and 19 all had baptism for remission of sins first.Did not occur in relation to water baptism in Acts 10.
Notice, Acts 2, 8 and 19 all had baptism for remission of sins first.
Your assertion is wrong because they already received the Holy Spirit.Acts 10 shows baptism for remission of sins afterwards.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...Acts 8 and 19 the Holy Spirit was not given upon water baptism so therefore they were not yet saved.
Your assertion is wrong because they already received the Holy Spirit.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved...
Mark skippers.The Gospel of Mark ends at verse 8.
https://forums.carm.org/threads/baptism-after-salvation.5614/page-9#post-625175
Mark skippers.
PHD's to the masses of mushheads...Mark 1:1 to Mark 16:8
It was never there to begin with."I know, let's do away with Mark 16:16
Acts skipper jargon.It was never there to begin with.
Acts skipper jargon.
You just said Peter was wrong in Acts 2:38. How was Peter wrong?Wrong.
The issue is not the gift of the HS the issue is when one is saved. The fact that they were commanded to be baptized in Acts 10 proves the necessity of water baptism. So the question is, can anyone forbid water?The "gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 10:45) was received before their water baptism (Acts 10:48).
The gift of the HS is from God. The issue here is what we must initially do to be saved.You left out "the gift of the Holy Spirit" part from Acts 2:38. That didn't go unnoticed.