You were already proven wrong in that you did assert something.
It's so easy to refute your pathetic assertions.
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Does the Baptism of the Holy Spirit..save ?
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You were already proven wrong in that you did assert something.
It's so easy to refute your pathetic assertions.
It is your assertion.
From post 607 of yours: if the HS is dwelling in a person that person cannot sin.
The Spirit of God dwelt in the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 3:16), yet they were carnal (1 Corinthians 3:1).
Thanks for making this easy for me.
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Many were and yet they were still indwelt by the Holy Spirit.
No, but many others were still carnal. See above.
In fact, it is from within the very same chapter that those who are described as carnal (1 Cor. 3:1) are said to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 3:16)
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Truther
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We both have work to do woth the writings of John.
Chapter 1 says we are liars if we say we have no sin.
Chapter 3 says we cannot sin.
Paul speaks of an evil and good part of himself in Romans 7, which is what I think explains this quandry.
There is a part of my being that is seen as "sin free" because I was baptized in the name of Jesus for the REMISSION of my sins.
There is another part of me that hates the things of God, that I must crucify daily.
This is what is going on in the writings of John.
Only the good side of me is saved, but the flesh nature of sin is not and therefore must be "put off".
If we did not have this corrupt part, we would not have to die or "put off" this flesh.
You ramble on and on and it is so easy to refute you with just one sentence:
Within the very same chapter those who are described as carnal (1 Cor. 3:1) are said to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit (1 Cor. 3:16).
Truther
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Take this!!!...
17 Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me....
23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
.....make that say Paul was sinless.
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Paul made no such distinction for them in 3:16, nor anywhere else in chapter 3.
You are seeing something that doesn't exist.
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Our Lord's God
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Those who have confessed their sins do have no sin. They have been completely cleansed of their sin.
The antichrists believed they had no sins to confess because they thought of themselves as only spiritual beings rather than flesh, therefore, the sins of their flesh were not their sins.
No, he is not saying it is impossible to commit a single sin. He is contrasting those born again vs those who are not (the antichrists of this letter). He is saying it is impossible for born again believers to be continuously sinning. Born again believers just don't do that. Rather, they are those who are continually doing righteousness.
Paul is describing the predicament of a Jew under the Law and without Christ. He ends up in bondage because of his human condition.
Chapter 8 describes how to be set free from the predicament.
Our Lord's God
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Truther
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So you believe this?....
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...
Should rather say something like this?...
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and CONFESS JESUS for the remission of sins,...
CrowCross
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Shouldn't John 3:16 mention baptism?
Our Lord's God
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Yep.
When your sins are remitted, you don't have any sin.
No, it was John who talking about confessing your sins and being cleansed of your sins.
Those cleansed have no sin.
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Truther
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The way to "get" His only begotten son is to get baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of our sins per Acts 2:38.
Truther
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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...
Yep!
Our Lord's God
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And what does this have to do with 1 John 1:8 or 1 John 3:9?
Truther
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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,...
It is the way to qualify as a saint and to be able to apply the Epistles you mentioned.
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CrowCross
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John 3:16 says who ever believes shall not perish but have everlasting life. You contradict the Word of God. Since the Word can't be contradicted it means you don't really understand Acts 2:38.
Do you take aspirin for your head-ache, that is to get a head-ache or do you take aspirin because of your head-ache?