Does the Baptism of the Holy Spirit..save ?

CrowCross

Super Member
It says to be baptized in the name of Jesus in 4 places per Acts.

It was commanded of Jesus per Matt.

It explains clearly that baptism is our death with Christ per Romans.

It says baptism gives us a clear conscience per 1 Peter.

You need further explanation still?

Stiffnecked generation.
Baptism is a representation..symbolization of what Christ did and the believers association with it.
 

Newbirth

Well-known member
We are not qualified to judge anyone's measure of faith.
No one is judging one's measure of faith.
Only God in His grace, allows a person to obey Acts 2:38.
God allows for all men to believe...1 Tim 2
1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;
2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
We must act on their words as they say they believe.
No, they must act on God's words as it says what we must do to be saved. Acts 2: 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
 

Newbirth

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Baptism is...Rom 6:
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life
 

Newbirth

Well-known member
No. It presents the symbolism.
in your imagination
If baptism was a requirement for salvation the bible would tell you why and how to baptize people.
It does...
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Rom 6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

There would be NO verses that tell how to get saved and NOT mention baptism.
The Bible was not originally written in numbered verses...
John 3:16 would not exist in the form we read it. Calling upon the name of the Lord would also mention water baptism.
Why not? When one calls on God's name he sends someone to preach to them and they are told to repent and be baptized.
 

Newbirth

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I'm not going to argue that point with you..there are baptized people who are not saved.
You cannot argue that point with me...I am discussing baptism into the death of Jesus. You are probably discussing baptism into something different.
Acts 19
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 

CrowCross

Super Member
in your imagination

It does...
Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 19:5
When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
Rom 6
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:


The Bible was not originally written in numbered verses...

Why not? When one calls on God's name he sends someone to preach to them and they are told to repent and be baptized.
Let me say it again.....if baptism, immersion in water, was a requirement for salvation there would be chapters and verses in the Bible explaining it.
Paul and others would have written at great lengths about it. There would be no debate.
 

CrowCross

Super Member
You cannot argue that point with me...I am discussing baptism into the death of Jesus. You are probably discussing baptism into something different.
Acts 19
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And what of the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Doesn't happen????
 

Truther

Well-known member
No one is judging one's measure of faith.
God allows for all men to believe...1 Tim 2
....lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.
3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
No, they must act on God's words as it says what we must do to be saved. Acts 2: 37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Easy....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins...
 

Newbirth

Well-known member
And what of the baptism of the Holy Spirit? Doesn't happen????
can you not read?
Acts 19
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
 

Newbirth

Well-known member
Let me say it again.....if baptism, immersion in water, was a requirement for salvation there would be chapters and verses in the Bible explaining it.
But there is, the fact that you reject them does not mean they are not there. Was baptism, immersion in water, a requirement for Jesus to fulfill all righteousness?
Matthew 3:15
And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
Paul and others would have written at great lengths about it. There would be no debate.
They did you simply reject them. Peter couldn't be more explicit...38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
1 Peter 3:21
The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Paul is saying the same thing...Col 2:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

You want to be saved without the old man being dead and buried.
 

CrowCross

Super Member
can you not read?
Acts 19
1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
That's not the baptism of the Holy Spirit.....I suggest you study up on that subject a bit more.

You can start here....
The baptism of the Holy Spirit may be defined as that work whereby the Spirit of God places the believer into union with Christ and into union with other believers in the body of Christ at the moment of salvation. The baptism of the Holy Spirit was predicted by John the Baptist (Mark 1:8) and by Jesus before He ascended to heaven: “For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit” (Acts 1:5). This promise was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2:1–4); for the first time, people were permanently indwelt by the Holy Spirit, and the church had begun.
 
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