Eightcrackers
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Question is in the title - that's all!
Yes. Of course. It meets the definition of terminating a pregnancy prematurely. Both the standard pill and the coil can prevent implantation of a fertilised egg, hence they too should be considered abortifacients.Question is in the title - that's all!
The standard pill is designed to disrupt the release of the ovum, but the hormonal ballance is also disturbed so that if an ovum is released and fertilised, implantation is inhibited. The morning after pill works by disrupting implantation by thickening and hardening the walls of the uterus. The coil works in a similar way, but the active ingredient is copper ions rather than hormones.I would say not because doesnt it stop the release of the ovum which means it contraception.
So more contraception than abortion.The standard pill is designed to disrupt the release of the ovum, but the hormonal ballance is also disturbed so that if an ovum is released and fertilised, implantation is inhibited. The morning after pill works by disrupting implantation by thickening and hardening the walls of the uterus. The coil works in a similar way, but the active ingredient is copper ions rather than hormones.
Because it is more complicated than that. I suspect that what the OP is asking is whether stopping pregnancy in the very early stages counts as abortion or contraception. At want point does pregnancy start, such that preventing that stage from occurring constitutes abortion? Scientists can keep human embryos alive for 14 days before destroying them. Does that count as abortion? There is no pregnancy and no prospect of one. The 14 day limit was arrived at for a reason, presumably that such early embryos can never be considered as viable human beings with rights.So more contraception than abortion.
Ask yourself why, when I explained the pill inhibits fertilisation, you decide to tell me what I have just told you?
The question is simple enough, but the answer not so easy. .. it depends on what stage the woman takes it atBecause it is more complicated than that. I suspect that what the OP is asking is whether stopping pregnancy in the very early stages counts as abortion or contraception. At want point does pregnancy start, such that preventing that stage from occurring constitutes abortion? Scientists can keep human embryos alive for 14 days before destroying them. Does that count as abortion? There is no pregnancy and no prospect of one. The 14 day limit was arrived at for a reason, presumably that such early embryos can never be considered as viable human beings with rights.
Exactly - "at what point does contraception become abortion?"Because it is more complicated than that. I suspect that what the OP is asking is whether stopping pregnancy in the very early stages counts as abortion or contraception.
I've heard that before too. I've heard of a woman married to an evangelical who had 14 children. She was told that if she became pregnant again, there was a high risk that she would die. She became pregnant again, and died. That's God's will for you.Exactly - "at what point does contraception become abortion?"
I have already heard from people in there that not having sex while married is immoral, because it prevents children from being born.
Yes - I am serious, but I don't know if they were.
The problem with dying because of a mistake, is that you can't learn from it.I've heard that before too. I've heard of a woman married to an evangelical who had 14 children. She was told that if she became pregnant again, there was a high risk that she would die. She became pregnant again, and died. That's God's will for you.
You would think that other people would do so.The problem with dying because of a mistake, is that you can't learn from it.
If they believe that the die-e went to heaven, though...You would think that other people would do so.
Any bill that is not---"contraceptive" in nature--in that---it prevents conception, but rather works by inducing an abortion--counts, by definition, as an abortion.Question is in the title - that's all!
The point is that it isn't a contraceptive.The standard pill is designed to disrupt the release of the ovum, but the hormonal balance is also disturbed so that if an ovum is released and fertilized, implantation is inhibited. The morning after pill works by disrupting implantation by thickening and hardening the walls of the uterus. The coil works in a similar way, but the active ingredient is copper ions rather than hormones.
It does not matter how early in the pregnancy one "terminates" the pregnancy. Once conception has happened, a "termination" of a pregnancy is an abortion. Whether that happens through a drug or surgery it is an abortion.Because it is more complicated than that. I suspect that what the OP is asking is whether stopping pregnancy in the very early stages counts as abortion or contraception.
ConceptionAt want point does pregnancy start, such that preventing that stage from occurring constitutes abortion?
Yes. An embryo is a fertilized egg, correct? Then it is an abortion.Scientists can keep human embryos alive for 14 days before destroying them. Does that count as abortion?
Viability has nothing to do with what constitutes our humanity. A person is a person. If a pregnancy is "unviable" that the person conceived does not magically turn into a non-person.There is no pregnancy and no prospect of one. The 14 day limit was arrived at for a reason, presumably that such early embryos can never be considered as viable human beings with rights.
I am pleased to read your post, as I once had a long discussion with a fellow officer, a Catholic, on this very subject. He said the same as you, that anything which terminated the pregnancy, for example by preventing implantation, was an abortion.It does not matter how early in the pregnancy one "terminates" the pregnancy. Once conception has happened, a "termination" of a pregnancy is an abortion. Whether that happens through a drug or surgery it is an abortion.
When conception happens, a woman is pregnant with a child. A woman becomes mother, the man involved a father. Before conception happened you had only an egg and semen. Contraception would prevent the egg and semen from uniting and forming a child.
Conception
Yes. An embryo is a fertilized egg, correct? Then it is an abortion.
Viability has nothing to do with what constitutes our humanity. A person is a person. If a pregnancy is "unviable" that the person conceived does not magically turn into a non-person.
Since the human being is a person, and starts their life as a zygote, anyone who denies that is deluded and dehumanising persons.I am pleased to read your post, as I once had a long discussion with a fellow officer, a Catholic, on this very subject. He said the same as you, that anything which terminated the pregnancy, for example by preventing implantation, was an abortion.
Personally, I do not care about the distinction, which is merely technical. The notion that a newly fertilised egg is a person, is so ridiculous that it devalues the humanity it seeks to promote.
A fellow officer? Officer of what? Are you police or something?I am pleased to read your post, as I once had a long discussion with a fellow officer, a Catholic, on this very subject. He said the same as you, that anything which terminated the pregnancy, for example by preventing implantation, was an abortion.
Personally, I do not care about the distinction, which is merely technical.
How so? Why?The notion that a newly fertilized egg is a person, is so ridiculous that it devalues the humanity it seeks to promote.
Exactly: a zygote is term used for a human being at the very beginning stages of development. A zygote is what a human being looks like at that stage of development.Since the human being is a person, and starts their life as a zygote, anyone who denies that is deluded and dehumanizing persons.
I was an army officer. (Later a police officer) We were serving in Northern Ireland at the time.A fellow officer? Officer of what? Are you police or something?
And words mean things--by the way---so this is not merely "technical."
How so? Why?