easy steps to improve Catholic apologetics

PeanutGallery

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11. Do not jump to James 2:24 in order to counter every Protestant proof-text for justification by faith alone. Given that Catholic theology is true, it ought to be able to account for every text of Scripture on its own terms and in its own context. Hence, there is no escaping the duty to do exegesis, even of, especially of, Romans. It will not satisfy any Protestant to object to his proof-text that "it can't mean that because then it would contradict this other passage over here." The Protestant will have his own understanding of that other passage over there as well. Again, there is no escaping the duty to read the Protestant proof-texts closely and carefully and to furnish justified interpretations which are consistent with Catholic dogma.
In other words, ignore the whole counsel of God in favour of RCC's theological dogmas.
 

Mike McK

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originally from a pro-Catholic site:
(now shut down; but this has been on the internet at various other sites for years)

Arguments Catholics Shouldn't Use

If CARM posting Catholics would follow these tips : the quality of their apologetics would improve dramatically.
I agree.

When I hear a Catholic say there are "33,000 denominations", right off the bat, that tells me he's an idiot who can't think for himself, but just spouts someone else's talking points.

I'm not offended by "anti-Catholic". I just point out that I'm not "anti-Catholic", but anti-Catholicism.

I don't mind them disagreeing with the Biblical praxis of sola scriptura, as long as they understand it correctly. But we've never seen a Catholic here represent it correctly, only their straw man version of it.
 

RiJoRi

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originally from a pro-Catholic site:
(now shut down; but this has been on the internet at various other sites for years)

Arguments Catholics Shouldn't Use

If CARM posting Catholics would follow these tips : the quality of their apologetics would improve dramatically.
From what I have seen here, the RC's responses would disappear! 😏

(In the following, "you" is generic; although I fear that those who would benefit most from it will not recognize themselves.)
One point, which I may have missed, is "Be aware of what other Catholics have posted previously." To start arguing a matter which has been gone over and over, and using the same arguments as the other poster used, shows several things: 1) laziness on your part – you cannot be bothered to read what others have said, and 2) disrespect for those who have gone over the matter previously. It also reflects poorly upon your cognitive facilities – it is the immature child who keeps crying out the same thing in hopes of getting what it wants.

--Rich
 

1Thess521

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From what I have seen here, the RC's responses would disappear! 😏

(In the following, "you" is generic; although I fear that those who would benefit most from it will not recognize themselves.)
One point, which I may have missed, is "Be aware of what other Catholics have posted previously." To start arguing a matter which has been gone over and over, and using the same arguments as the other poster used, shows several things: 1) laziness on your part – you cannot be bothered to read what others have said, and 2) disrespect for those who have gone over the matter previously. It also reflects poorly upon your cognitive facilities – it is the immature child who keeps crying out the same thing in hopes of getting what it wants.

--Rich
in the "chess match" of apologetics:
Carm-posting Catholics keep playing the same losing opening moves.
(that was an analogy: this really isn't game)
 
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Buzzard

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Quote:The following important observations were made in 1851:

We cannot allow that every private Priest or member of the Church of Rome should give his own opinions merely as the standard of doctrine. We will have recourse to the oracular response of the Church, and insist that they be represented by themselves; not, however, by private individuals, but by their legal representatives


But, then, there is nothing which they dread so much as the testimony of their own Church. ...
IT IS A PRINCIPAL AIM OF ALL [ROMAN CATHOLIC] CONTROVERTISTS
TO EMPLOY EVERY MODE OF EVASION IN ORDER TO DISCONCERT THEIR OPPOSERS.

There is even a marked difference between the tone of these Romish Divines
who speak dogmatically for the instruction of their own members
and that of those who attempt to answer the objections of their antagonists.
With the former, all is matter of downright certainty;
with the latter, all is doubt, difficulty, subterfuge, and evasion.

When the faithful are to be instructed, every Priest becomes the sure depositary
of the infallible decisions of an infallible Church;

but when Protestants are to be confuted,
the declarations of their most illustrious men are of no authority.
Councils are discovered to have been but partly approved
Popes did not speak ex cathedra;
Cardinals and Bishops are but private Doctors;
And who cares for the opinion of an obscure Priest or Friar?

Thus nothing is so difficult as to know what the belief of Roman Catholics really is; and
WHEN A PROTESTANT ADDUCES THEIR OWN WRITERS AS WITNESSES,
HE IS FREQUENTLY TOLD THAT HE {The Catholic Writter} IS A MISREPRESENTER OF THEIR CHURCH

(Charles Elliott, Delineation of Roman Catholicism, London: John Mason, 1851, p. 23).



Quote: WELCOME TO Catholic Responses 101
Always, Always
keep in mind
The Doctrine of Mental Reserve
you are under no obligation to tell any Heretic the truth,
nor reveal the True Teachings of the church
to those outside the confines of The
One True and Apostolic Church
 

Psalm1

Active member
One point, which I may have missed, is "Be aware of what other Catholics have posted previously." To start arguing a matter which has been gone over and over, and using the same arguments as the other poster used, shows several things: 1) laziness on your part – you cannot be bothered to read what others have said, and 2) disrespect for those who have gone over the matter previously.
 

Psalm1

Active member
From what I have seen here, the RC's responses would disappear! 😏

(In the following, "you" is generic; although I fear that those who would benefit most from it will not recognize themselves.)
One point, which I may have missed, is "Be aware of what other Catholics have posted previously." To start arguing a matter which has been gone over and over, and using the same arguments as the other poster used, shows several things: 1) laziness on your part – you cannot be bothered to read what others have said, and 2) disrespect for those who have gone over the matter previously. It also reflects poorly upon your cognitive facilities – it is the immature child who keeps crying out the same thing in hopes of getting what it wants.

--Rich

In fairness, the scriptural observation that “there is nothing new under the sun” also applies here at CARM. Even a cursory review of historical threads reveals that the same issues are debated over and over and the same “chess moves” are made again and again by both Catholic and Protestant posters.
 
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