Sethproton
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And as soon as Johnny tells me which single point he wants to see scripture for, I will show it. But for his sake, I need him to ask, so I know he is attentive to the result
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civic
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He did I just read it- Hebrews 8:6. Is there the present tense verb in Hebrews 8:6 ? yes or no
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Sethproton
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Yes, the helps say that in hebrews 8:6 there is a verb. And the translations are rendering it present tense
civic
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So you agree that He is our present Mediator in heaven as Hebrews 8:6 declares.
Theo1689
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First of all, I have to wonder why you feel the need to depend on "helps", if you are truly fluent in Greek.
Secondly, I love how you say (1) "the helps say there is a verb", but (2) the translations are rendering it present tense", as if the translators could be wrong.
Actually, the "helps" say that the verb IS in the present tense:
PROS EBRAIOUS (Hebrews) 8 :: Morphological Greek New Testament (MGNT)
PROS EBRAIOUS (Hebrews) 8 - νυνὶ δὲ διαφορωτέρας τέτυχεν λειτουργίας ὅσῳ καὶ κρείττονός ἐστιν διαθήκης μεσίτης ἥτις ἐπὶ κρείττοσιν ἐπαγγελίαις νενομοθέτηται
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έστιν ....... V-PAI-3S, of "ειμι".
And that parsing indicates:
"verb"
"present active indicative"
"3rd person singular"
of the lexical form, "ειμι".
So the verb is EXPLICITLY and UNDENIABLY in the "present" tense.
And that means Jesus IS (currently) the mediator.
civic
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You still haven't responded to Hebrews 8:6, why is that ?
He asked you a couple of questions about the passage.
Sethproton
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You are adding the word "present"
Sethproton
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And I responded to the question i saw
Theo1689
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What part of "is" being in the "present" tense, don't you understand?
civic
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No estin the verb is a present tense verb.
You claim to know English but contradict yourself with the simple meaning of the present tense verb.
civic
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The verb in Hebrews 8:6 is estin which is a present active indicative.
Present Tense
The present tense usually denotes continuous kind of action. It shows 'action in progress' or 'a state of persistence.' When used in the indicative mood, the present tense denotes action taking place or going on in the present time.
Game over seth you lose.
Sethproton
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That is your justification? If a verb is present tense, then you can add the word "present" into a sentence?
ReverendRV
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Probably not Add, but draw out of the Verb...
civic
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No is just the facts and we all know how you hate grammatical and biblical facts.
civic
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He doesn't want to admit that the present tense verb in the present active indicative mood means that Jesus is(present tense, not past was) our Mediator.
God is Love- According to seths logic God is no longer love since the present tense verb is doesn't mean God is still love. His being love is over just like Jesus as mediator is over.
ReverendRV
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Wow, I didn't think about that!
civic
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For him to be consistent he has to say God is no longer love since its the exact same same verb form in Hebrews 8:6 and 1 John 4:8. If not then it truly reveals his bias regarding Jesus humanity. that is at the heart of the issue.
I will bet anything he will not deny God is love presently.
ReverendRV
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Checkmate?
civic
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Yes there is no getting out of jail card with this one. He backed himself into a corner where there is no escape or saving face.
Sethproton
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ok that is possible. but are you aware that a "to be" verb can have different categories of meaning.
It can mean something exists
it can express an equality
If it expresses an equality, that can be a separate idea than saying it is about a current condition