Election

Sethproton

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That what everyone has been asking and we have yet to see it done just one time.
And as soon as Johnny tells me which single point he wants to see scripture for, I will show it. But for his sake, I need him to ask, so I know he is attentive to the result
 

civic

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And as soon as Johnny tells me which single point he wants to see scripture for, I will show it. But for his sake, I need him to ask, so I know he is attentive to the result
He did I just read it- Hebrews 8:6. Is there the present tense verb in Hebrews 8:6 ? yes or no

see here

 

Sethproton

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He did I just read it- Hebrews 8:6. Is there the present tense verb in Hebrews 8:6 ? yes or no

see here

Yes, the helps say that in hebrews 8:6 there is a verb. And the translations are rendering it present tense
 

Theo1689

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Yes, the helps say that in hebrews 8:6 there is a verb. And the translations are rendering it present tense

First of all, I have to wonder why you feel the need to depend on "helps", if you are truly fluent in Greek.

Secondly, I love how you say (1) "the helps say there is a verb", but (2) the translations are rendering it present tense", as if the translators could be wrong.

Actually, the "helps" say that the verb IS in the present tense:

έστιν ....... V-PAI-3S, of "ειμι".

And that parsing indicates:
"verb"
"present active indicative"
"3rd person singular"
of the lexical form, "ειμι".


So the verb is EXPLICITLY and UNDENIABLY in the "present" tense.

And that means Jesus IS (currently) the mediator.
 

civic

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And as soon as Johnny tells me which single point he wants to see scripture for, I will show it. But for his sake, I need him to ask, so I know he is attentive to the result
You still haven't responded to Hebrews 8:6, why is that ?

He asked you a couple of questions about the passage.
 

civic

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You are adding the word "present"
The verb in Hebrews 8:6 is estin which is a present active indicative.


Present Tense
The present tense usually denotes continuous kind of action. It shows 'action in progress' or 'a state of persistence.' When used in the indicative mood, the present tense denotes action taking place or going on in the present time.

Game over seth you lose.
 

Sethproton

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The verb in Hebrews 8:6 is estin which is a present active indicative.


Present Tense
The present tense usually denotes continuous kind of action. It shows 'action in progress' or 'a state of persistence.' When used in the indicative mood, the present tense denotes action taking place or going on in the present time.

Game over seth you lose.
That is your justification? If a verb is present tense, then you can add the word "present" into a sentence?
 

civic

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Probably not Add, but draw out of the Verb...
He doesn't want to admit that the present tense verb in the present active indicative mood means that Jesus is(present tense, not past was) our Mediator.

God is Love- According to seths logic God is no longer love since the present tense verb is doesn't mean God is still love. His being love is over just like Jesus as mediator is over.
 

ReverendRV

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He doesn't want to admit that the present tense verb in the present active indicative mood means that Jesus is(present tense, not past was) our Mediator.

God is Love- According to seths logic God is no longer love since the present tense verb is doesn't mean God is still love. His being love is over just like Jesus as mediator is over.
Wow, I didn't think about that!
 

civic

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Wow, I didn't think about that!
For him to be consistent he has to say God is no longer love since its the exact same same verb form in Hebrews 8:6 and 1 John 4:8. If not then it truly reveals his bias regarding Jesus humanity. that is at the heart of the issue.

I will bet anything he will not deny God is love presently.
 

Sethproton

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Probably not Add, but draw out of the Verb...
ok that is possible. but are you aware that a "to be" verb can have different categories of meaning.
It can mean something exists
it can express an equality

If it expresses an equality, that can be a separate idea than saying it is about a current condition
 
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