brightfame52
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Show it to me please, then I will comment !
In the mean time I believe in Unconditional Election in Christ before the foundation of the world, before the elect had a physical being in time.
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In the mean time I believe in Unconditional Election in Christ before the foundation of the world, before the elect had a physical being in time.
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TomFL
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Don't be coyShow it to me please, then I will comment !
In the mean time I believe in Unconditional Election in Christ before the foundation of the world, before the elect had a physical being in time.
i have asked you time and time again if it was so and you said to read your op that you stand behind what it states
brightfame52
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I didnt think you could show it, because its a rabbit trail away from some point I made with scripture. Election took place before the foudation of the world Eph 1 4 and is therefore unconditional, since the elect didn't have any physical being in order to perform any so called conditions.Don't be coy
i have asked you time and time again if it was so and you said to read your op that you stand behind what it states
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TomFL
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I didnt think you could show it, because its a rabbit trail away from some point I made with scripture. Election took place before the foudation of the world Eph 1 4 and is therefore unconditional, since the elect didn't have any physical being in order to perform any so called conditions.
here
Toward a defintion of Psychikos
Also the definition of the natural man is what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith Its physical tangible life alone, meaning apart from the New Birth which is the inworking of Faith, for Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22...Salvation is the Gift of God !
Okay Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22. Faith accompanies Salvation 2 Thess 2 13 The Spirit in New Birth is the Gift of God. Rom 5:5You are assuming. Faith is the Gift of God, the fruit of the Spirit, whether to believe in Christ or to do Christian service in the Body of Christ. Rom 12:3 reflects that.
So Faith as it accompanies Salvation is the Gift of God, and Faith being a fruit of the Spirit, the Spirit in New Birth is the Gift of God. Yes part of the Saving efficacy of the Cross is giving the New Birth, simply, Christs death for His People effects the Saving Work of the New Birth, that's why He says, speaking of His death Jn 12:32-33
probably others
brightfame52
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Election is in the scripture, unconditional election at that. God Elected a People in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1 4 and so their election could not have been conditioned on anything the did, said or etc., because they did not physically exist.here
Toward a defintion of Psychikos
Also the definition of the natural man is what is natural, as it relates to physical (tangible) life alone (i.e. apart from God's inworking of faith Its physical tangible life alone, meaning apart from the New Birth which is the inworking of Faith, for Faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22...
Salvation is the Gift of God !
Okay Faith is the fruit of the Spirit Gal 5 22. Faith accompanies Salvation 2 Thess 2 13 The Spirit in New Birth is the Gift of God. Rom 5:5
You are assuming. Faith is the Gift of God, the fruit of the Spirit, whether to believe in Christ or to do Christian service in the Body of Christ. Rom 12:3 reflects that.
So Faith as it accompanies Salvation is the Gift of God, and Faith being a fruit of the Spirit, the Spirit in New Birth is the Gift of God. Yes part of the Saving efficacy of the Cross is giving the New Birth, simply, Christs death for His People effects the Saving Work of the New Birth, that's why He says, speaking of His death Jn 12:32-33
probably others
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TomFL
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No whereElection is in the scripture, unconditional election at that. God Elected a People in Christ before the foundation of the world Eph 1 4 and so their election could not have been conditioned on anything the did, said or etc., because they did not physically exist.
Election is in Christ
being in Christ is the condition
and you can only be in Christ through faith
Eph. 1:13 —KJV
“In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,”
Not exactly, it is more like completely misunderstanding Grace Salvation/Justification.army
Exactly ! And thats a flat out denial of Grace Salvation/Justification
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TomFL
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Sorry faith is not a workarmy
Exactly ! And thats a flat out denial of Grace Salvation/Justification
And that claim is based on a misunderstanding of that which constitutes a work
A work is that which earns merit so that whatever is attributed to it is a payment that is due
Faith has no such merit
And salvation is not due faith
Your claim is simply false
brightfame52
Well-known member
People make faith a work.Sorry faith is not a work
And that claim is based on a misunderstanding of that which constitutes a work
A work is that which earns merit so that whatever is attributed to it is a payment that is due
Faith has no such merit
And salvation is not due faith
Your claim is simply false
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TomFL
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Only because they do not understand what constitutes a work for PaulPeople make faith a work.
You make faith a work
The bible does not
brightfame52
Well-known member
One poster started a thread on this very issue. Did you read it?Only because they do not understand what constitutes a work for Paul
You make faith a work
The bible does not
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TomFL
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Yeah and replied to itOne poster started a thread on this very issue. Did you read it?
Did you read it ?
brightfame52
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That is good. The point it made was scriptural. People turn faith/believing into work salvation.Yeah and replied to it
Did you read it ?
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TomFL
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That is good. The point it made was scriptural. People turn faith/believing into work salvation.
Nope faith is not a work
brightfame52
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People turn faith into a work.Nope faith is not a work
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TomFL
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Only people like you imagine it to be a workPeople turn faith into a work.
As faith has no merit, it cannot be a condition, which goes against your argument. Thank you for dismantling your argument for me.Sorry faith is not a work
And that claim is based on a misunderstanding of that which constitutes a work
A work is that which earns merit so that whatever is attributed to it is a payment that is due
Faith has no such merit
And salvation is not due faith
Your claim is simply false
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TomFL
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Sorry that makes no senseAs faith has no merit, it cannot be a condition, which goes against your argument. Thank you for dismantling your argument for me.
A condition does not have to be meritorius
Of course not, it can also be a sickness...(ie. He has a condition...]Sorry that makes no sense
A condition does not have to be meritorius
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TomFL
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You have no grounds for saying that if faith is not meritorious as to earn salvation it cannot be a conditionOf course not, it can also be a sickness...(ie. He has a condition...]
The bible never says any such thing