Ralf...focus, I am only telling you what the church teaches. I personally don't believe any of it. I believe JS was a pious fraud. Your argument is with your prophet and your church.
Regardless of the perspective (believing or non-believing) from which we tell the story of the translation, the essential fact of the translation is unchangedThe conclusion that Joseph used a "magical" or "occult" stone to assist in the translation of the Book of Mormon is entirely dependent upon one's own preconception that the use of such an instrument would not be acceptable by God. Believers, on the other hand, ought not to take issue with a distinction between one set of seer stones versus another. As Brant Gardner notes: "Regardless of the perspective from which we tell the story, the essential fact of the translation is unchanged. How was the Book of Mormon translated? As Joseph continually insisted, the only real answer, from any perspective, is that it was translated by the gift and power of God."
Brant A. Gardner, Why Did He Translate With a Rock in His Hat?
So Markk I would place you in the category of the preconception he used a magic or occult seer stone... as for me, well since I don't have to worry about the truth of the BOM as being a traslation of the Gold Plates, it somehow makes it so much easier for me, versus you have to continue to deny everything.... you put your faith in Bushman, Arrington, Mormonism Unveiled, David Whitmer and yet these same individuals except for Mormonism Unveiled, are members of the Church and held high positions or as witnesses.... you are having a difficult time trying to find any truth I think!