Eternal Life : a Harvest Reaped by Doers of Good

Daniel.

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Eternal life will ultimately be repaid only to the doers of good.

Matthew 16
27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.

Romans 2
6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.”
7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.
8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness, there will be wrath and anger.
9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Greek;
10but glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, first for the Jew, then for the Greek.
11For God does not show favoritism.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.
14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
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26If a man who is not circumcised [v14's "Gentile"] keeps the requirements of the law [God's Spirit writes the Law on hearts under the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34], will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?
27The one who is physically uncircumcised yet keeps the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
28A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical.
29No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.

Galatians 6
6Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word must share in all good things with his instructor.
7Do not be deceived: God is not to be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return.
8The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
9Let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
10Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to the family of faith.

Revelation 22
12“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.
 

Daniel.

Member
I see, once again, that there is no interest in God's Word when it contradicts ridiculous, sloppy, systems of belief like Calvinism.
 

PeanutGallery

Well-known member
Eternal life will ultimately be repaid only to the doers of good.
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No faith in the Son of God required to obtain eternal life?

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
 

Theo1689

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I see, once again, that there is no interest in God's Word when it contradicts ridiculous, sloppy, systems of belief like Calvinism.

We have PLENTY of "interested in God's Word".

We simply have no interested in being bullied an insulted for believing the truth.


Maybe it's not God's word that we're distasteful of.
Maybe it's the poster.
 

Daniel.

Member
No faith in the Son of God required to obtain eternal life?

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.
The only ones who can do good are the ones in whom God is working to will and do for His good pleasure--yet they are commanded "obey" in that very same passage (Pp 2).

Yes, we have life in His Name--and still this passage exists where God teaches us eternal life will ultimately only be repaid the doers of good. We have it now, but we must do good works in accordance with faith to keep it. It's not one or the other, it's both.
 

Howie

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The only ones who can do good are the ones in whom God is working to will and do for His good pleasure--yet they are commanded "obey" in that very same passage (Pp 2).

Yes, we have life in His Name--and still this passage exists where God teaches us eternal life will ultimately only be repaid the doers of good. We have it now, but we must do good works in accordance with faith to keep it. It's not one or the other, it's both.
Salvation that can be lost is not salvation by grace.
 

Daniel.

Member
Salvation that can be lost is salvation by works. Biblical salvation is by grace apart from works.

I never disagree with scripture.
So you agree that eternal life is repaid to the doers of good (as God teaches us in Romans 2 and Galatians 6, for example) correct?
 

GeneZ

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Eternal life will ultimately be repaid only to the doers of good.

Matthew 16
27For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.

Romans 2
6God “will repay each one according to his deeds.”
7To those who by perseverance in doing good seek glory, honor, and immortality, He will give eternal life.
8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow wickedness, there will be wrath and anger.
9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil, first for the Jew, then for the Greek;
10but glory, honor, and peace for everyone who does good, first for the Jew, then for the Greek.
11For God does not show favoritism.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.
14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law.
...
26If a man who is not circumcised [v14's "Gentile"] keeps the requirements of the law [God's Spirit writes the Law on hearts under the New Covenant Jer 31:31-34], will not his uncircumcision be regarded as circumcision?
27The one who is physically uncircumcised yet keeps the law will condemn you who, even though you have the written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
28A man is not a Jew because he is one outwardly, nor is circumcision only outward and physical.
29No, a man is a Jew because he is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man’s praise does not come from men, but from God.

Galatians 6
6Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word must share in all good things with his instructor.
7Do not be deceived: God is not to be mocked. Whatever a man sows, he will reap in return.
8The one who sows to please his flesh, from the flesh will reap destruction; but the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
9Let us not grow weary in well-doing, for in due time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.
10Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to the family of faith.

Revelation 22
12“Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done.
When Jesus returns with his angels will be the end of the Tribulation. That is not about the Church age. Those who persevered till the end during the Tribulation will be saved.

God is eternal life. Those believers who will not lose their rewards will be granted a special partaking of the nature of God. They will also reign with Christ. Yet, all believers who fail will have everlasting life, even if they lose all their rewards. Everlasting life is different from eternal life.

Everlasting has a beginning but no end.
Eternal has no beginning and no end.

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,
straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be
revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work
which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned,
he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. 2 Corinthians 3:11-15​

Even the biggest loser will remain having everlasting life. Only those believers who continuously grew in grace and sound doctrine (gold, silver, and precious stones) will receive their crown(s). Keep in mind! Crowns are made from gold,silver, and precious stones!

Those who based their life after salvation upon false teachings? They will not receive any reward.. Instead, they will face destruction by fire when their wood, hay, and stubble are incinerated.

Yet? The last verse says, though lose all reward by destruction, they will be saved like a man running from a burning house. All will be lost except his own life.

grace and peace.........
 

Daniel.

Member
When Jesus returns with his angels will be the end of the Tribulation. That is not about the Church age. Those who persevered till the end during the Tribulation will be saved.

God is eternal life. Those believers who will not lose their rewards will be granted a special partaking of the nature of God. They will also reign with Christ. Yet, all believers who fail will have everlasting life, even if they lose all their rewards. Everlasting life is different from eternal life.

Everlasting has a beginning but no end.
Eternal has no beginning and no end.

For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay,
straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be
revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work
which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned,
he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. 2 Corinthians 3:11-15​

Even the biggest loser will remain having everlasting life. Only those believers who continuously grew in grace and sound doctrine (gold, silver, and precious stones) will receive their crown(s). Keep in mind! Crowns are made from gold,silver, and precious stones!

Those who based their life after salvation upon false teachings? They will not receive any reward.. Instead, they will face destruction by fire when their wood, hay, and stubble are incinerated.

Yet? The last verse says, though lose all reward by destruction, they will be saved like a man running from a burning house. All will be lost except his own life.

grace and peace.........
So you do agree eternal life is a harvest reaped by doers of good?
 

GeneZ

Well-known member
So you do agree eternal life is a harvest reaped by doers of good?
Do you know what "doing good" entails? Its not about human good. Its Divine good. Its what a believer does when filled with the Spirit and sound doctrine. Many do human good = wood, hay, and stubble. Often times, to be applauded by men.
 

Daniel.

Member
Do you know what "doing good" entails? Its not about human good. Its Divine good. Its what a believer does when filled with the Spirit and sound doctrine. Many do human good = wood, hay, and stubble. Often times, to be applauded by men.
So you accept that Scripture teaches that eternal life is a harvest reaped by doers of good (eg, all the Scriptures provided in the OP)?
 

GeneZ

Well-known member
So you accept that Scripture teaches that eternal life is a harvest reaped by doers of good (eg, all the Scriptures provided in the OP)?
Not all good is good. Only Divine good counts. Divine Good is done by means of the filling of the Spirit, while either thinking soundly with truth. Or, thinking soundly as the result the benefits of knowing and accepting truth (transformation).
 

Daniel.

Member
Not all good is good. Only Divine good counts. Divine Good is done by means of the filling of the Spirit, while either thinking soundly with truth. Or, thinking soundly as the result the benefits of knowing and accepting truth (transformation).
Which of the following would you disagree with ?
1. Eternal life is a harvest which Christians can reap.
2. The "seed" Christians must sow in order to have a harvest of eternal life they can reap is good deeds.
3. God will repay each according to their deeds : doers of good will be repaid with eternal life, evildoers will be tortured.
 
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GeneZ

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Which of the following would you disagree with ?
1. Eternal life is a harvest which Christians can reap.
2. The "seed" Christians must sow in order to have a harvest of eternal life they can reap is good deeds.
3. God will repay each according to their deeds : doers of good will be repaid with eternal life, evildoers will be tortured.
2. The "seed" Christians must sow in order to have a harvest of eternal life they can reap is good deeds.

You should find yourself (without even knowing it) doing good deeds. You do not do them as a means to reap rewards. Any religious prig can do good works. Its when you discover you did not even know you are doing one is what sheds light on your spiritual development.

When you find revealed to yourself that you were doing good deeds - automatically from a transformed nature - what you will know will indicate you will reap eternal life.

The one time you may consciously will to do a good deed is when a demand for a deed was brought your way for testing. Otherwise, doing good deeds should come from your new nature as like a bird flies south for the winter. We develop spiritual instincts that cause god deeds to be an unconscious act. That can only come from a transformed soul enabled by grace and stabilized by truth.
 

Daniel.

Member
2. The "seed" Christians must sow in order to have a harvest of eternal life they can reap is good deeds.

You should find yourself (without even knowing it) doing good deeds. You do not do them as a means to reap rewards. Any religious prig can do good works. Its when you discover you did not even know you are doing one is what sheds light on your spiritual development.

When you find revealed to yourself that you were doing good deeds - automatically from a transformed nature - what you will know will indicate you will reap eternal life.

The one time you may consciously will to do a good deed is when a demand for a deed was brought your way for testing. Otherwise, doing good deeds should come from your new nature as like a bird flies south for the winter. We develop spiritual instincts that cause god deeds to be an unconscious act. That can only come from a transformed soul enabled by grace and stabilized by truth.
So you do or don't believe eternal life is ultimately a harvest reaped only by doers of good deeds (in the words of Romans 2, a payment for doing good deeds)?
 

Daniel.

Member
2. The "seed" Christians must sow in order to have a harvest of eternal life they can reap is good deeds.
Galatians 6
6Let the one who is taught the word share all good things with the one who teaches. 7Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap. 8For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life. 9And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. 10So then, as we have opportunity, let us do good to everyone, and especially to those who are of the household of faith.

So you disagree with Galatians 6:6-10?
 
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