Even C.T. Russell said Michael is not Christ.

Nathan P

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And that is just your Twisted Opinion ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) of those AS IS scriptures that I Posted! Now lets get back to the Son ( Jesus Christ )! Do you believe that His ( the Sons ) pre-existence as the WORD in John 1:1 " was God " as most versions of the Bible say, " was a god " as your NWT of the Holy Scriptures?!
John 1 proves nothing about his pre-existence because it is talking about in the beginning there and not before the beginning. His first mention is after the Word became flesh or there was no fleshly Jesus before the the Word became flesh.
 

Nathan P

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You are only one third correct because I proved from scriptures that the ONE GOD ( TRINITY ) is the creator as John 1: ; Acts 5:3-4 & Heb.1:8 calls each of those 3 Divine persons in Matt.28:19 " God "! Thus your WRONG view ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) left out the Son & Holy Spirit! Yes the Son was included because John 1:3/Col.1:16 CLEARLY states that All things were Made/Created THROUGH/BY Him ( the Son )! Case closed!
No I proved at John 1 that only God created and Jesus created nothing because the him is the creator and the him can not be Jesus because the life in the him was Jesus and thus the him can not be Jesus too. You have to prove the life in the him was not Jesus for you all to be correct?
 

Fred

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I am saying forget him and we will decide who it says creates and through whom?
How is that a question?

Watch Tower Reprints: there is no suggestion whatever that the Father is the Son and that the Son is his own Father, but quite to the contrary--that there are two persons, both Gods, both Creators, but the one the superior, the other his honored representative in glory and in power. ("He Is Excepted Which Did Put All Things Under Him", December 15, 1904, Vol. 25, No. 24, page 3475)
 

Nathan P

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How is that a question?

Watch Tower Reprints: there is no suggestion whatever that the Father is the Son and that the Son is his own Father, but quite to the contrary--that there are two persons, both Gods, both Creators, but the one the superior, the other his honored representative in glory and in power. ("He Is Excepted Which Did Put All Things Under Him", December 15, 1904, Vol. 25, No. 24, page 3475)
You just want to go around in circles because you know who it says creates and through whom and you just do not want to admit it.
 

Nathan P

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How much of the writings of the Jehovah's Witnesses should we forget?

Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
I am an inactive jw. We will get into what he says if you can answer first who the bible says creates and through whom at col.1:15- 16?
 

Nathan P

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How is that a question?

Watch Tower Reprints: there is no suggestion whatever that the Father is the Son and that the Son is his own Father, but quite to the contrary--that there are two persons, both Gods, both Creators, but the one the superior, the other his honored representative in glory and in power. ("He Is Excepted Which Did Put All Things Under Him", December 15, 1904, Vol. 25, No. 24, page 3475)
Try something more recent than 1904.
 

Fred

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I am an inactive jw. We will get into what he says if you can answer first who the bible says creates and through whom at col.1:15- 16?

God "alone" is the created the universe (Job 9:8; Isaiah 44:24). The fact that it was done through the Lord Jesus demonstrates He is the Creator (God).
 

jamesh

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How can Jesus be God at John 1:1 when he is not the creator there?
Well, how can Jesus be "a god" according to the NWT when the Bible teacher there is only one God, period? Common sense dictates that Jesus must be a "false god?" How do reconcile this glaring contradiction in the NWT?

IN GOD THE SON,
james
 

Nathan P

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Well, how can Jesus be "a god" according to the NWT when the Bible teacher there is only one God, period? Common sense dictates that Jesus must be a "false god?" How do reconcile this glaring contradiction in the NWT?

IN GOD THE SON,
james
I do not know their reasoning for that. Until I know I am reading the bible to see what it says.
 
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