John 1 proves nothing about his pre-existence because it is talking about in the beginning there and not before the beginning. His first mention is after the Word became flesh or there was no fleshly Jesus before the the Word became flesh.
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Even C.T. Russell said Michael is not Christ.
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No I proved at John 1 that only God created and Jesus created nothing because the him is the creator and the him can not be Jesus because the life in the him was Jesus and thus the him can not be Jesus too. You have to prove the life in the him was not Jesus for you all to be correct?You are only one third correct because I proved from scriptures that the ONE GOD ( TRINITY ) is the creator as John 1: ; Acts 5:3-4 & Heb.1:8 calls each of those 3 Divine persons in Matt.28:19 " God "! Thus your WRONG view ( 2 Peter 3:16 ) left out the Son & Holy Spirit! Yes the Son was included because John 1:3/Col.1:16 CLEARLY states that All things were Made/Created THROUGH/BY Him ( the Son )! Case closed!
I do not know what he said but the bible states it clearly the Father creates through the Son.Why did Charles Taze Russell refer to the Father and to the Son as "Creators"?
I quoted what he said.I do not know what he said but the bible states it clearly the Father creates through the Son.
What does the bible say because we are intelligent enough to understand who it says creates there without going by what someone else said?I quoted what he said.
Does that mean Charles Taze Russell taught falsehood?What does the bible say because we are intelligent enough to understand who it says creates there without going by what someone else said?
I am saying forget him and we will decide who it says creates and through whom?Does that mean Charles Taze Russell taught falsehood?
How is that a question?I am saying forget him and we will decide who it says creates and through whom?
Watch Tower Reprints: there is no suggestion whatever that the Father is the Son and that the Son is his own Father, but quite to the contrary--that there are two persons, both Gods, both Creators, but the one the superior, the other his honored representative in glory and in power. ("He Is Excepted Which Did Put All Things Under Him", December 15, 1904, Vol. 25, No. 24, page 3475)
You just want to go around in circles because you know who it says creates and through whom and you just do not want to admit it.How is that a question?
Watch Tower Reprints: there is no suggestion whatever that the Father is the Son and that the Son is his own Father, but quite to the contrary--that there are two persons, both Gods, both Creators, but the one the superior, the other his honored representative in glory and in power. ("He Is Excepted Which Did Put All Things Under Him", December 15, 1904, Vol. 25, No. 24, page 3475)
...show how from their own writings how they constantly contradict themselves.You just want to
They are terrible heretics.
How many times do you need to be told it is us who will decide who it says creates and through whom?...show how from their own writings how they constantly contradict themselves.
They are terrible heretics.
We don't decide that. The Bible does.How many times do you need to be told it is us who will decide who it says creates and through whom?
How much of the writings of the Jehovah's Witnesses should we forget?I am saying forget him
Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
I am an inactive jw. We will get into what he says if you can answer first who the bible says creates and through whom at col.1:15- 16?How much of the writings of the Jehovah's Witnesses should we forget?
Are you a Jehovah's Witness?
You are avoiding the question. We have to read the bible because it does not talk and tell us the answers.We don't decide that. The Bible does.
Try something more recent than 1904.How is that a question?
Watch Tower Reprints: there is no suggestion whatever that the Father is the Son and that the Son is his own Father, but quite to the contrary--that there are two persons, both Gods, both Creators, but the one the superior, the other his honored representative in glory and in power. ("He Is Excepted Which Did Put All Things Under Him", December 15, 1904, Vol. 25, No. 24, page 3475)
I am an inactive jw. We will get into what he says if you can answer first who the bible says creates and through whom at col.1:15- 16?
God "alone" is the created the universe (Job 9:8; Isaiah 44:24). The fact that it was done through the Lord Jesus demonstrates He is the Creator (God).
Try something more recent than 1904.
What would be a specific date that is considered okay to quote from?
Well, how can Jesus be "a god" according to the NWT when the Bible teacher there is only one God, period? Common sense dictates that Jesus must be a "false god?" How do reconcile this glaring contradiction in the NWT?How can Jesus be God at John 1:1 when he is not the creator there?
IN GOD THE SON,
james
I do not know their reasoning for that. Until I know I am reading the bible to see what it says.Well, how can Jesus be "a god" according to the NWT when the Bible teacher there is only one God, period? Common sense dictates that Jesus must be a "false god?" How do reconcile this glaring contradiction in the NWT?
IN GOD THE SON,
james