# Even if by some miracle a first creature were to come to be, it is for naught. It will be destroyed and have no offspring.

#### rossum

##### Well-known member
You need to have a course in probability and statistics.
It is a sequence of 39 possible choices
What does that have to do with the number of possible different non-random processes? There are a lot of non-random processes. You need to do a lot more work on this. What is the chance of a rock falling down, rather than up? That is a non-random process. Does it indicate the existence of the god of gravity? That is what your faulty logic is saying.

Your YEC arguments may work with the choir, who want to agree with you. We are not the choir, and we can see the flaws that the choir do not.

#### SavedByTheLord

##### Well-known member
What does that have to do with the number of possible different non-random processes? There are a lot of non-random processes. You need to do a lot more work on this. What is the chance of a rock falling down, rather than up? That is a non-random process. Does it indicate the existence of the god of gravity? That is what your faulty logic is saying.

Your YEC arguments may work with the choir, who want to agree with you. We are not the choir, and we can see the flaws that the choir do not.
You do not understand probability and statistics at the intro level. You need help

#### Nathan P

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No it is not. As you have been told many times. Even if for the sake of argument, we accept your false premise that natural processes are random AND that natural processes cannot account for living creatures, that still leaves plenty of other options that do not include God . This might help you:
Do you doubt these other options that did not include God happened?

#### CrowCross

##### Super Member
Copying errors are a source of new information. Natural selection selects the beneficial new information, ignores the neutral new information and weeds out the deleterious information.
ROFLOL....

#### Temujin

##### Well-known member
Do you doubt these other options that did not include God happened?
I doubt that all the supernatural options, including God happened. In the pantheon of the supernatural, there's nothing special about God. He is just one of many, no more or less believable then the others. We live in the real world, not the Marvel universe.

#### The Pixie

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How so? Are you thinking about thermodynamic entropy or something else? If the latter, how is it defined?
The entropy of information.
And how is that defined? Is this Shannon's entropy, the negative log base two of the probability?

#### rossum

##### Well-known member
You do not understand probability and statistics at the intro level. You need help
You are projecting. Again.

#### SavedByTheLord

##### Well-known member
What is the official answer to any origin question from the atheistic origin camp?

#### rossum

##### Well-known member
What is the official answer to any origin question from the atheistic origin camp?
Hmmm... That presents a problem. The official answer is a very closely held secret of the Evil Atheist Conspiracy, and you need to be a level 7 initiate in order to know it. The Central Committee of the EAC has ordered that if any non-member ever learns the secret they will get a visit from the specially trained EAC Zen ninjas (who, of course do not exist) and those non-existent ninjas will enter your dwelling and do absolutely nothing at all; they are after all Zen ninjas. However, you will know that they have been there, and you do not know when, or if, they will return. So, since we really want to spare you a visit from those EAC Zen ninjas, who do not exist, we cannot let you know the official answer. It is for your own good. Really.

Once you have joined the EAC, learned the secret handshake and attained the right level, we can safely let you know the official answer.

#### Temujin

##### Well-known member
Hmmm... That presents a problem. The official answer is a very closely held secret of the Evil Atheist Conspiracy, and you need to be a level 7 initiate in order to know it. The Central Committee of the EAC has ordered that if any non-member ever learns the secret they will get a visit from the specially trained EAC Zen ninjas (who, of course do not exist) and those non-existent ninjas will enter your dwelling and do absolutely nothing at all; they are after all Zen ninjas. However, you will know that they have been there, and you do not know when, or if, they will return. So, since we really want to spare you a visit from those EAC Zen ninjas, who do not exist, we cannot let you know the official answer. It is for your own good. Really.

Once you have joined the EAC, learned the secret handshake and attained the right level, we can safely let you know the official answer.
Stop it! There's no trace of a sense of humour there. He will believe every word, since it conforms to his confirmation bias. He will reproduce your post in ten minutes, claiming that it proves that the Bible is true

#### SavedByTheLord

##### Well-known member
Stop it! There's no trace of a sense of humour there. He will believe every word, since it conforms to his confirmation bias. He will reproduce your post in ten minutes, claiming that it proves that the Bible is true
Thanks with your attitude you just confirmed the Bible.

#### Temujin

##### Well-known member
Thanks with your attitude you just confirmed the Bible.
Lol!!. Two more to go!

#### SavedByTheLord

##### Well-known member
Lol!!. Two more to go!
I will anonymously add you as part of one of mu irrefutable proofs that the Bible is true.

#### Temujin

##### Well-known member
I will anonymously add you as part of one of mu irrefutable proofs that the Bible is true.
Go ahead. It's as worthless as all your other "proofs".

#### SavedByTheLord

##### Well-known member
Go ahead. It's as worthless as all your other "proofs".
It could be to you.

#### SavedByTheLord

##### Well-known member
Junk DNA.
For years they claimed that "junk" DNA was just junk. I think they are finding that is not true.

#### CrowCross

##### Super Member
For years they claimed that "junk" DNA was just junk. I think they are finding that is not true.
They are finding it use to do something. After the falls and years and years on "mutations"....de-evolution...is destroying the human genome.