Every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering.

PETA says they "believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering."

I would like to hear from the atheists on this forum...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?

I am curious if your answer would be the same as a lion's.
 

Gus Bovona

Active member
PETA says they "believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering."

I would like to hear from the atheists on this forum...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?

I am curious if your answer would be the same as a lion's.
If such creatures do have that right, it doesn't come from nature, given carnivorous predators and their prey. Now, if a person wants to give such creatures that right, or merely assert that they have that right, how can the predator live? Doesn't that reduce to favoring the prey over the predator?
 

J regia

Well-known member
PETA says they "believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering."

I would like to hear from the atheists on this forum...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?

I am curious if your answer would be the same as a lion's.
Does a person also have the right to have their life terminated to be free from pain and suffering like a dog or cat?
 
If such creatures do have that right, it doesn't come from nature, given carnivorous predators and their prey. Now, if a person wants to give such creatures that right, or merely assert that they have that right, how can the predator live? Doesn't that reduce to favoring the prey over the predator?

Are you able to answer the question with YES or NO...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?
 

Ficciones

Active member
It seems like Yahchristian has a flow chart for this discussion and is getting antsy when answers diverge from it.
 

Gus Bovona

Active member
Are you able to answer the question with YES or NO...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?
Uh, no, I'm not able to answer the question yes or not. I can say, however, that creatures having such rights creates an untenable position given the existence of prey and predators.
 

Temujin

Well-known member
PETA says they "believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering."

I would like to hear from the atheists on this forum...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?

I am curious if your answer would be the same as a lion's.
Where would such a right come from? If PETA ruled the world then they could dispense such rights. They don't, and they can't. Let's concentrate on preventing human pain and suffering. That not to say that inflicting gratuitous pain on animals is justified or reasonable.
 

Mr Laurier

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PETA says they "believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering."

I would like to hear from the atheists on this forum...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?

I am curious if your answer would be the same as a lion's.
PETA is a bunch of publicity hungry clowns.
They say stupid things, knowing they are stupid, to generate media attention for themselves.
 
PETA is a bunch of publicity hungry clowns.
They say stupid things, knowing they are stupid, to generate media attention for themselves.

I didn't ask you what you thought about PETA. I asked you...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?

Are you able to answer the question or not.
 
Where would such a right come from? If PETA ruled the world then they could dispense such rights. They don't, and they can't. Let's concentrate on preventing human pain and suffering. That not to say that inflicting gratuitous pain on animals is justified or reasonable.

WHY?

Many atheists (I expect most) believe humans are the cause for the current Holocene extinction (the sixth mass extinction Earth has experienced).

From an atheist's point of view, WHY concentrate on preventing the pain and suffering of humans (the ones responsible for most of the pain) instead of preventing pain and suffering of other animals (the victims)?

What makes humans so special?

I know how theists would answer, but I would like to see how you would answer the question.
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member

Every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering.​


Survival of the fittest says the "fittest" may have the right to survive. who are the Fittest? the ones that survive, Duh.

Suffering is a vague and broad concept. How much suffering is mental suffering from not meeting expectations?
 

Authentic Nouveau

Well-known member
Animal rights to[U] life liberty and pursuit of happiness[/U]. Means Pigs get freedom.

Sows can sit, stand, and lie down in a farrowing crate, but they cannot turn around. Sows are housed in farrowing crates during the birth to her piglets
 

Temujin

Well-known member
WHY?

Many atheists (I expect most) believe humans are the cause for the current Holocene extinction (the sixth mass extinction Earth has experienced).

From an atheist's point of view, WHY concentrate on preventing the pain and suffering of humans (the ones responsible for most of the pain) instead of preventing pain and suffering of other animals (the victims)?

What makes humans so special?

I know how theists would answer, but I would like to see how you would answer the question.
This is not really anything to do with atheism but humanism. Because we are humans. We are a social species. We have evolved empathy, a conscience and altruism. We have an innate sense of justice and personal morality. Atheism doesn't deny any of these attributes. It just denies that they come from God. Humanism requires us to act on them, to behave morally because we are human and have a sense of morality.

Atheism is just a lack of belief in God. It has nothing to say, good or bad about morality. Atheists who do good things, charity work or whatever, do so because they are humanist, not because of, or despite their atheism
 

Whatsisface

Active member
PETA says they "believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering."

I would like to hear from the atheists on this forum...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?

I am curious if your answer would be the same as a lion's.
All I can say is, a zebra has said right when it comes to unnecessary suffering inflicted by humans.
 

Tiburon

Member
PETA says they "believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering."

I would like to hear from the atheists on this forum...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?

I am curious if your answer would be the same as a lion's.
What is the lion's answer?
 

Tiburon

Member
PETA says they "believe that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering."

I would like to hear from the atheists on this forum...

Does a zebra "have a right to live free from pain and suffering"?

I am curious if your answer would be the same as a lion's.
I don't really know what that means?
I would say that every creature with a will to live has a right to live free from pain and suffering inflicted upon it purely for the benefit of man.
 
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