Eve's Offspring & Mary's

[Bonnie]

Gen.3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.


Sorry but it does not say He = Christ

But it says it - this "Enmity"
opposition; variance, separation, even to the point killing each other
and of war, amongst us

Easton's Bible Dictionary - Enmity
Enmity
deep-rooted hatred. "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy seed and her seed" ( Genesis 3:15 ). The friendship of the world is "enmity with God" ( James 4:4 ; 1 John 2:15 1 John 2:16 ). The "carnal mind" is "enmity against God" ( Romans 8:7 ). By the abrogation of the Mosaic institutes the "enmity" between Jew and Gentile is removed. They are reconciled, are "made one" ( Ephesians 2:15 Ephesians 2:16 ).

The Wheat and the Tares

as Paul says

Eph.2:11​

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Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,​

who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;​

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12 That at that time ye were without Christ,​

being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,​

and strangers from the covenants of promise,​

having no hope, and without God in the world:​

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13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.​

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14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one,​

and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;​

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15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,​

even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;​

for to make in himself of twain one new man,​

so making peace;​

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16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,​

having slain the enmity thereby:​

Not true; the SEED will bruise Satan's head--and that seed was Jesus Christ. SEED is the "it" here.

 

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• Gen 3:15 . . And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between
your offspring and hers. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

Most everyone on both sides of the aisle agree that's a prophesy referring to Christ.
Now, the question we must resolve is the origin of Eve's offspring.

Her entire body was constructed with material taken from Adam's body, which of
course had to include her body's ovaries. So then any, and all, offspring produced
by Eve's ovaries have Adam to thank for their existence.

Ergo: even if Eve's offspring were all virgin-conceived they would still be Adam's
offspring because it was from his body's flesh and blood that Eve's body obtained
its flesh and blood.

There exists a pretty good number of sincere Christians out there who honestly
believe that Jesus' virgin conception disconnected him from Adam. But unless
someone can prove, without a hint of sensible doubt, that Mary's flesh and blood
did not descend from Eve's flesh and blood, then we must conclude that baby Jesus'
flesh and blood descended from Eve's; and if from Eve's, then from Adam's, and if
from Adam's, then from the very dust that God used to construct the first Man in
the book of Genesis.
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what makes you think a body in eden was like the current ones as far as material or needed ovaries?

 

[bluedog1us]

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• Gen 3:15 . . And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between
your offspring and hers. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel.

Most everyone on both sides of the aisle agree that's a prophesy referring to Christ.
Now, the question we must resolve is the origin of Eve's offspring.

Her entire body was constructed with material taken from Adam's body, which of
course had to include her body's ovaries. So then any, and all, offspring produced
by Eve's ovaries have Adam to thank for their existence.

Ergo: even if Eve's offspring were all virgin-conceived they would still be Adam's
offspring because it was from his body's flesh and blood that Eve's body obtained
its flesh and blood.

There exists a pretty good number of sincere Christians out there who honestly
believe that Jesus' virgin conception disconnected him from Adam. But unless
someone can prove, without a hint of sensible doubt, that Mary's flesh and blood
did not descend from Eve's flesh and blood, then we must conclude that baby Jesus'
flesh and blood descended from Eve's; and if from Eve's, then from Adam's, and if
from Adam's, then from the very dust that God used to construct the first Man in
the book of Genesis.
_

Sounds like you have paralysis by analysis.

 

[Buzzard]

Buzzard said:
Gen.3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

thy seed---enmity --- her seed;

If you let Scripture interpert Scripture,
then we must go by the words of Paul


Eph.2:11


Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

12 That at that time ye were without Christ,
being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:

13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one,
and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;
for to make in himself of twain one new man,
so making peace;

16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross,
having slain the enmity thereby:

Gen.3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

thy seed---enmity --- her seed;




Not necessarly;
as has been posted
the different translations reflect the beliefs of the Translators,

And I will put enmity
(
Enmity
deep-rooted hatred. "I will put enmity between thee and the woman, between thy seed and her seed" ( Genesis 3:15 ). The friendship of the world is "enmity with God" ( James 4:4 ; 1 John 2:15 1 John 2:16 ). The "carnal mind" is "enmity against God" ( Romans 8:7 ). By the abrogation of the Mosaic institutes the "enmity" between Jew and Gentile is removed. They are reconciled, are "made one" ( Ephesians 2:15 Ephesians 2:16 ). )

between thee and the woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

so they would translate it to say what they wanted it to say

Are you suggesting that Gen 3:15 is not prophesy referring to the coming of the Messiah? That is Christ? If so, please articulate an argument as to why.

Are you proposing that Daniel 2 not be read in conjunction with Genesis 3? If so, please articulate an argument as to why.

I suppose I could be entirely missing your point. If so, would you kindly clarify your post and intent of communication?

Amosfive asks:
Are you proposing that Daniel 2 not be read in conjunction with Genesis 3? If so, please articulate an argument as to why.
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Buzz replys,
No, Daniel 2 is also these Two (2) Groups at odds (enmity; varience, in opposition) with each other

----------The Two Rocks----------

Deut 32: 1​

Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak;​

and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.​

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2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain,​

my speech shall distil as the dew,​

as the small rain upon the tender herb,​

and as the showers upon the grass:​

..​

For their rock is not as our Rock,​

even our enemies themselves being judges.​

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32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom,​

and of the fields of Gomorrah:​

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their grapes are grapes of gall,​

their clusters are bitter:​

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33 Their wine is the poison of dragons,​

and the cruel venom of asps.​

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The Two Women Solomon spake of
One led by Christ (our Rock), the other led by (their rock) the Rock of Sodom