Evidence For The Error of Determinsm.

[ReverendRV]

Your god is not omnipotent.

in your own words.

I clicked the Link, and nothing...

You may need to Copy and paste it...

 

[Howie]

Nope only in your false estimation

Your god is not omnipotent.

Here is the proof in your own words.

 

[fltom]

Your god is not omnipotent.

Here is the proof in your own words.

Here is how you twisted the question

Is it your belief God could not stop sin from entering the world?

You did not ask me if God could stop sin

but that if he could not stop sin

I affirm he could stop sin

I deny he could not stop sin

Try again

 

[fltom]

I clicked the Link, and nothing...

You may need to Copy and paste it...

It does not matter

He reversed the question

which was not

could God stop sin

which would be a yes

but was could God not stop sin

I would deny God could not stop sin

 

[Howie]

Here is how you twisted the question

Is it your belief God could not stop sin from entering the world?

You did not ask me if God could stop sin

but that if he could not stop sin

I affirm he could stop sin

I deny he could not stop sin

Try again

If God could have stopped sin from being in the world, but He didn't, then sin is in the world by the will of God, isn't that correct?

 

[Howie]

NT

 

[Howie]

It does not matter

He reversed the question

which was not

could God stop sin

which would be a yes

but was could God not stop sin

I would deny God could not stop sin

If God could have stopped sin from being in the world, but He didn't, then sin is in the world by the will of God, isn't that correct?

 

[Howie]

Here is how you twisted the question

Is it your belief God could not stop sin from entering the world?

You did not ask me if God could stop sin

but that if he could not stop sin

I affirm he could stop sin

I deny he could not stop sin

Try again

Here you say God could not stop sin from entering the world.

Your god is not omnipotent.

 

[fltom]

Here you say God could not stop sin from entering the world.

Your god is not omnipotent.

Nope i am saying the opposite

that God was not unable to stop sin

 

[Howie]

And if evil did not exist before creation then does that mean God created evil and its His Perfect determinative Will for evil and sin .

Did evil exist before creation?

 

[fltom]

If God could have stopped sin from being in the world, but He didn't, then sin is in the world by the will of God, isn't that correct?

By his permission

 

[Howie]

Nope i am saying the opposite

that God was not unable to stop sin

That's not what you originally said HERE; do you agree?

 

[Howie]

Your claim is false and without support

No, it's not, and the link to your words makes that clear.

Link to your words.

 

[Howie]

By his permission

Which is to say, by His will; do you agree?

 

[Howie]

Evil did not ever have to exist , God could of prevented it or had another alternative so evil must be part of His perfect will.

Agreed.

 

[fltom]

Which is to say, by His will; do you agree?

Not his determinative will

but his permissive will

 

[fltom]

No, it's not, and the link to your words makes that clear.

Link to your words.

Already addressed

You put the question in a negative form

i denied the negative form

in other words God could stop sin

 

[fltom]

That's not what you originally said HERE; do you agree?

Again I told you what my meaning was

I denied your negative

 

[Howie]

Not his determinative will

but his permissive will

IOW, according to you, not by His will, but by His; is that correct?

 

[Howie]

Again I told you what my meaning was

I denied your negative

Not originally, as I've shown, HERE and HERE.