Example of systemic racism

Backup

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That's fine. I've only got one leg over the fence on this one, but I'm thinking of scooting over it.
My friend did tell me there was one company that lost it's certification and license, but usually it ends up with only individual appraisers losing their jobs, but not always their certifications.

Many of the instances described involve two appraisals. The ones where the photos and other racially identifying bric-a-brac is removed are demonstrated to be higher. In some cases significantly higher. This does tend to imply a racial component.
As I said, for me, the fact that it does appear to be nationwide puts me closer to calling it systemic.
I think the reason I’m skeptical is because of my personal experience. I don’t know anyone racist. I’m not a racist. The implication is all white people are racist. I don’t buy it.

Obviously there are some racists out there, but I think a lot fewer than some people want to believe. Even the extreme right-wingers on this forum aren’t saying “yeah, good. Price the black man’s house lower!” Is anyone of that opinion?
 

Faithoverbelief

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I think the reason I’m skeptical is because of my personal experience. I don’t know anyone racist. I’m not a racist. The implication is all white people are racist. I don’t buy it.

Obviously there are some racists out there, but I think a lot fewer than some people want to believe. Even the extreme right-wingers on this forum aren’t saying “yeah, good. Price the black man’s house lower!” Is anyone of that opinion?
I agree not ALL white people are racist. Plenty are unfortunately.
 

Michael R2

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I think the reason I’m skeptical is because of my personal experience. I don’t know anyone racist. I’m not a racist. The implication is all white people are racist. I don’t buy it.
That could be a big difference in our points of view. Unfortunately, I know of a few people who are definitely racist. Some of my cousins in Ohio definitely are.
My friend told me a story of selling a house to a mixed race couple. After a year or so, she got a call from them saying they wanted to sell. It seems their neighbors would not let their children play with the 'mixed' children. They would not even once say hello. It was not that they did anything overtly racist like shouting epithets or the like. They simply treated them as if they didn't exist.
Obviously there are some racists out there, but I think a lot fewer than some people want to believe. Even the extreme right-wingers on this forum aren’t saying “yeah, good. Price the black man’s house lower!” Is anyone of that opinion?
It's a matter of perspective, I guess. It's difficult to actually gauge the amount based on our individual experiences. For you, racism hasn't been found. For me, I have seen it, but not in great amounts. From some accounts I have read it is rampant. I would suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but the more these dialogues take place, the better off we will be.
 

Faithoverbelief

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That could be a big difference in our points of view. Unfortunately, I know of a few people who are definitely racist. Some of my cousins in Ohio definitely are.
My friend told me a story of selling a house to a mixed race couple. After a year or so, she got a call from them saying they wanted to sell. It seems their neighbors would not let their children play with the 'mixed' children. They would not even once say hello. It was not that they did anything overtly racist like shouting epithets or the like. They simply treated them as if they didn't exist.

It's a matter of perspective, I guess. It's difficult to actually gauge the amount based on our individual experiences. For you, racism hasn't been found. For me, I have seen it, but not in great amounts. From some accounts I have read it is rampant. I would suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but the more these dialogues take place, the better off we will be.
Ohio is FULL of racists.
 

HillsboroMom

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I cannot help the fact that you've been brainwashed, Gus.
You have no evidence that Gus has been "brainwashed."

You didn't give me any evidence, Gus.
Yes, he did. I cannot help the fact that you don't understand the meaning of the word "evidence."

OH! You thought that WAS evidence!?!?
Yes. And so does the rest of the English-speaking world.

A link to a scholarly and reputable source is considered "evidence," by anyone who has an IQ over 60.

Wow...there are no words...
There are a lot of words I can think of, but most of them would get me banned from this site. All would be 100% accurate, however.
 

Woody50

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You have no evidence that Gus has been "brainwashed."
Sorry...who are you?
Yes, he did. I cannot help the fact that you don't understand the meaning of the word "evidence."
It seems you cannot help much at all. Thanks for that.
Yes. And so does the rest of the English-speaking world.
It does? Evidence, please. Just trying to keep it real, lady.
A link to a scholarly and reputable source is considered "evidence," by anyone who has an IQ over 60.
How is it reputable? Evidence, please.

The insult made me laugh. Thanks!
There are a lot of words I can think of, but most of them would get me banned from this site. All would be 100% accurate, however.
So you say.

So you won't use words because you're worried about others. Classic leftism.

Prove that it would be 100% accurate.

Great punctuation and grammar, by the way. Kudos.

Not impressed.
 

HillsboroMom

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Here's the thing:

The poorer a family is, the less they care for their home. There are all kinds of reasons for this: from the obvious -- poor people have less money to tend to repairs -- to less obvious but equally understandable -- poor people are often caught in a cycle of poverty in which the standard of living is generally lower.

The above is not to say that all poor people are terrible housekeepers and all rich people are good housekeepers. My family is in the upper middle class, and our house is a pig sty. I know many people poorer than us who are much better caretakers, and people richer who take worse care. But it's a general trend.

It is also a fact that non-white people are generally more likely to live in poverty than white people. Again, this is not a rule -- and even less of a rule than the above. There are millions of ultra-rich non-white people, and at millions of poor whites. But it doesn't take much demographics work to see that black and brown folk are over-represented in the lower classes, and under-represented in the higher classes.

Why is this? Again, there are a lot of reasons. Some of these reasons are well-known, well documented, and not debatable. Other reasons are hotly debated.

I am mixed race, pass for white. I was lucky enough to have spent the first 40 years of my life with a brother who was adopted and African American. (He passed away almost 10 years ago now.) I know that I didn't witness all the crap that he dealt with, and that in some ways he may have had it worse by being in a mixed family rather than being raised by a black family. But I saw enough. I still see it, dealing with my nieces, nephews, sisters and new brother-in-law (whom the family welcomes with loving arms).

I invite any white person to spend one day with a non-white person. One entire day. Eat meals at a restaurant. Go shopping with them. Go to the bank with them. Go to a movie with them. Hang out in public with them, and then come back and tell me there's no such thing as systematic racism.
 

HillsboroMom

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Sorry...who are you?
HillsboroMom. Just like it says.

It seems you cannot help much at all. Thanks for that.
You are quite beyond help.

It does? Evidence, please. Just trying to keep it real, lady.

From Websters, and here's the link if you don't believe me https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evidence

evidence​

ev·i·dence | \ ˈe-və-dən(t)s , -və-ˌden(t)s \

Definition of evidence

noun (Entry 1 of 2)
1a: an outward sign : INDICATION
b: something that furnishes proof : TESTIMONYspecifically : something legally submitted to a tribunal to ascertain the truth of a matter
2: one who bears witnessespecially : one who voluntarily confesses a crime and testifies for the prosecution against one's accomplices
in evidence
1: to be seen : CONSPICUOUStrim lawns … are everywhere in evidenceAmer. Guide Series: N.C.
2: as evidence

verb (Entry 2 of 2)
evidenced; evidencing
transitive verb
: to offer evidence of : PROVE, EVINCE
So yes. A link to a reputable source is evidence, according to the Though the fact that you don't know that indicates you probably won't understand this dictionary definition, either. Simply providing evidence as you requested.

So you won't use words because you're worried about others. Classic leftism.
No, because I am following the guidelines of this forum. Good grief, you're a piece of work, aren't you?
 

Woody50

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HillsboroMom. Just like it says.
Not what I asked. I'm okay if you don't want to answer.
You are quite beyond help.
Evidence, please.

You don't know me or anyone else on this board. Stop judging because you're pissed off.
From Websters, and here's the link if you don't believe me https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evidence
LOL. So, when I ask you for evidence, you give me the m-w definition?

Are you reading at all?
So yes. A link to a reputable source is evidence, according to the Though the fact that you don't know that indicates you probably won't understand this dictionary definition, either. Simply providing evidence as you requested.
You still didn't answer my inquest. WHAT MAKES THIS A REPUTABLE RESOURCE?

Thanks for the insults, though. You're funnier than I thought.

No, you're not providing anything aside from definitions from an online dictionary and saying, "Nuh UH!"

Lame.
No, because I am following the guidelines of this forum. Good grief, you're a piece of work, aren't you?
Define "piece of work" for me. You can look it up on m-w.com, if you have to.
 

Backup

Well-known member
That could be a big difference in our points of view. Unfortunately, I know of a few people who are definitely racist. Some of my cousins in Ohio definitely are.
My friend told me a story of selling a house to a mixed race couple. After a year or so, she got a call from them saying they wanted to sell. It seems their neighbors would not let their children play with the 'mixed' children. They would not even once say hello. It was not that they did anything overtly racist like shouting epithets or the like. They simply treated them as if they didn't exist.

It's a matter of perspective, I guess. It's difficult to actually gauge the amount based on our individual experiences. For you, racism hasn't been found. For me, I have seen it, but not in great amounts. From some accounts I have read it is rampant. I would suspect the truth lies somewhere in the middle, but the more these dialogues take place, the better off we will be.
Maybe racism is more common in Ohio. The people I’ve known from there were certainly not racist, but that’s where the OP took place, and is where your personal experience comes from.

Regardless, racism is socially unacceptable, not tolerated in the workplace, and racial discrimination is illegal. I’m not sure what else we are supposed to do. The systemic racism idea still strikes me as a conspiracy theory.

Overt hatred of gays is still fairly common, certainly on this forum, if nowhere else in my personal life.
 

Backup

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It’s also worth noting that Nigerians are the most educated and most successful demographic in America. Why has this systemic racism not affected them?
 

HillsboroMom

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This works both ways. Notice how lily-white areas, like Portland are the strongholds of BLM protests? They have simplistic stereotypes too. Just because someone’s black doesn’t mean they’re nice. It infantilizes black peoples.
I am from Portland.

Portland is not "lily white."

It is true that we have a significantly lower percentage of African Americans than the national average, and a higher of whites, but we also have a strong Latino presence, a very rich heritage of Asians (from all parts of Asia -- Middle East, Sub Continent, Far East, and Pacific Islands) as well as a significant number of people from mixed heritages. (We rank 15th in the list of most mixed races, but 26th in the US for population.)

Can we do better? Of course we can. But we're not "lily white." We do not have "simplistic stereotypes."
 

Woody50

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Can we do better? Of course we can. But we're not "lily white." We do not have "simplistic stereotypes."
I'm wondering how you can "do better." Indeed, why do you need to "do better?"

Are you saying that such a "lily white" community (yes, it's very white in terms of population, but you seem to feel guilty about that...sounds racist) needs fixing.

Why? Because there are so many whites?

Why is that bad?

You are ashamed of the population numbers based on skin color.

Racist.
 

HillsboroMom

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I agree not ALL white people are racist. Plenty are unfortunately.
It depends on how you define "racism."

There is a definition of "racism" that indicates everyone is racist for allowing racism to happen, for being complicit in a racist society. We all allow it to happen. Do we confront the guy who tells the racist joke every time, or do we just not, sometimes, because we're tired and don't want to be the fuddy-duddy in the room? When you see a black person pulled over by the police, do you stop and pull out your phone just to make sure, every time? Or do you figure it's someone else's problem, because you're not the racist?
 
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