Experiential Theology

shnarkle

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Secondly, the Catholics church tortured and killed MILLIONS in the Name of Christ which is breaking the commandment "Do not kill." Jesus tells us to LOVE our enemies and let the wheat and tares grow together until the harvest which Catholics are disobeying too.
Why do you say they "are disobeying"? Where are they killing anyone now?
Thirdly, Catholics also sell the kingdom of heaven for money which they call "indulgences"which are still practiced today.
This is false. They no longer sell them, and it is quite difficult to even get one. Ironically, they have discovered that they were letting them go to freely so they decided to be stingy about it to generate more value for them. Regardless, it is not a financial or monetary value that they have placed upon them.
Catholics have OMITTED the 2nd Commandment because of their contempt for God. So they KNOW they're BREAKING that Commandment or they wouldn't try to erase it.

This is also patently false. I know of no Catholics who believe or know that they are breaking the second commandment. Furthermore, the fact that they don't know this is forgiven through Christ's sacrifice.
And lastly, 1 Co. 6:9-10 tells us that ALL UNREPENTANT idolaters will NOT enter heaven. Rev. 21:8 also says the same thing.

Thats just the tip of the iceberg of the verses that Catholics DISOBEY.

Again, no one can repent if they don't know they have sinned. While this is most definitely sin, it is covered by Christ's sacrifice due to the fact that unintentional or mistaken sin is the only remedied by sacrifice. Christ points this out from the cross when he says: "Father forgive them for they know not what they do".
So they are NOT the church. They've made up their own religion which now includes homosexuality since the pope has recently supported civil marriage between two men or two women.
While I agree with your conclusion that the Catholic church is not the church Christ instituted, they have not supported civil marriages, but "civil unions"; big difference. Gay marriage is a misnomer, and it is remarkable that the Catholic church has picked up on this fact.

It is even more remarkable that no one from the LGBQ etc. has called them on their distinction, or rather their reluctance to support gay marriage.
 

shnarkle

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Well....I've had a request to list the biblical passages of the first century where the Apostles (or the Church) are observing Feast Days that modern Christianity disdains because of false traditions that have crept in to our liturgy. .....and we should ask ourselves.....why did these things disappear from our worship?

One of the reasons is that as the Jewish influence disappeared, the newly converted were ignorant of the fact that the gospel accounts were not historical narratives, but liturgical narratives. They mark the liturgical calendar and fit like a hand into a glove.
 

Hawkeye

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To be continued...............
Regarding Passover: Young's Literal Translation [I Corinthians 5:5-8]

to deliver up such a one to the Adversary for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. Not good [is] your glorying; have ye not known that a little leaven the whole lump doth leaven? cleanse out, therefore, the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, according as ye are unleavened, for also our Passover for us was sacrificed — Christ, so that we may keep the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of evil and wickedness, but with unleavened food of sincerity and truth.

Does Paul instruct us to keep the feast of Passover....or not? The Greek identifies the word "Feast" as HEORTE (Strong's #1858....to observe a festival....keep the feast)

KJV [Acts 20:8] And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days.

The above is a very interesting passage that has been completely mistranslated in most publications.......mainly because it doesn't line up with "Main Stream Theology".

Consider: and we sailed away from Phillipi after (META) after the days of unleavened bread and came to them in Troas in five days where we abode (DIATRIBO) seven days.

The highlighted words are incorrect translations. This was done (and continues to be taught) because the "Church" does not want to give any credence to the fact the Apostles continued observing Yahweh's Festivals and Sabbaths .....three decades after the resurrection. The correct translation would be:

"And we sailed away from Phillipi during the days of unleavened bread and came unto them in Troas in five days....not consuming seven days."

The Greek word META (#3326) means..."A primary preposition (often used adverbially); properly denoting accompaniment (amid).... modified variously according to the case.

Or....another way to say it would be:

"We sailed away from Phillipi amid the days of unleavened............."

The Greek word DIATRIBO (#1304) from dia and the base of tribos means......to wear through time, i.e. remain, abide, be, continue, tarry.

In the original manuscripts the word directly before DIATRIBO is OU (#3756). It's a negative word and changes the meaning of DIATRIBO. OU is used in the New Testament Greek as a negative adverb. It usually means "No" or "Not". In this case the Greek is saying......"We did not spend seven days".

Why would Luke write that....saying seven days? Why didn't he just say "Week"? The Greek word for week is EBDOMA and appears no where in the New Testament. Luke says seven days (HMERA EPTAEN) because he is referring to the seven days of unleavened bread [Leviticus 23:6-8]. In other words.....Paul sailed on the five middle (Non Sabbath) days of unleavened bread which was acceptable. He just couldn't eat leavened bread during the voyage.

To be continued...............



 

Hawkeye

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To be continued...............
KJV [Acts 20:16] For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.
 

Hawkeye

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KJV [Acts 20:16] For Paul had determined to sail by Ephesus, because he would not spend the time in Asia: for he hasted, if it were possible for him, to be at Jerusalem the day of Pentecost.
Let's see if Paul makes it (to Jerusalem) by waiting in Phillipi during the days (plural) of unleavened bread the way the translators would have you believe. Everyone knows there are 50 days between Passover and Pentecost [Leviticus 23:16]....that's why the Greek uses PENTE for the word, fifty.

KJV [Acts 20:6] Indicates 7 days were consumed during Passover at Phillipi and another 12 for the sailing days and stopover at Troas. Total time through verse 6 is 19 days. 31 more days to Pentecost.

KJV [Acts 20:7-12] Paul speaking to the disciples on the first of the weekly Sabbaths [Leviticus 23:12] between the two Festival Sabbaths. 1 more day.

KJV [Acts 20:13] Paul leaves for Assos on foot....from Troas and it doesn't say how long it took.....so by looking at the map we'll say....1 more day. 29 days to Pentecost.

KJV[Acts 20:14-16] From Assos to Mitylene to Chios and Samos and then finally to Miletus....4 more days. 25 days to Pentecost.

KJV[Acts 20:17-38] How long would it take a runner to get to Ephesus, inform the elders of the request by Paul to come to Militus..... for a "sit down"? When you look at the map one would imagine 3 days. Getting there, finding and informing the elders, getting them back to Miletus....and then the meeting itself. It's now 22 days to Pentecost.

KJV[Acts 21:1] Paul sails to Cos, then to Rhodes and then to Patara....and looking at the map I would conservatively estimate.....3 more more days. 19 days to Pentecost.

KJV[Acts 21:2-3] Paul boards a ship to Phonecia and sails south of Cyprus and on to Syria....landing at Tyre. This voyage is about 2 1/2 times as long as Phillipi to Troas (verse 6)....which took 5 days. Let's be liberal and say all conditions were favorable...and they only took 10 days. It's now 9 days to Pentecost.

KJV[Acts 21:4-6] Paul finds the disciples at Tyre and stays there 7 more days. Pentecost is now 2 days away.

KJV[Acts 21:7-9] Paul leaves the disciples and sails to Ptolemais....spends another day with brethren and sails on to Caesarea. 2 more days have elapsed, Pentecost has come and gone, and Paul is still not in Jerusalem!

Now....let's say I'm right and Paul actually left Phillipi on the 16th....the day after the first Sabbath of Unleavened. 5 days later would put him in Troas on the 20th...in time to spend the Sabbath of the 21st at rest. His time from verse 6 to verse 7 is only 7 days.....not the 19 that the translators would have you believe. So.....let's start again at Casarea and subtract the 12 phantom days from the elapsed time. These would be the 5 days at sea from Phillipi to Troas and the 7 days most Bibles will tell you he spent with the folks in Troas after his voyage.

KJV[Acts 21:10-14] Scripture says....."Number of days" with Phillip. This could be 2, 3, or 5. Who knows? What we do know is that Agabus tells Paul in verse 11 not to go to Jerusalem. From these words it would appear the Apostle is ahead of schedule and Pentecost is yet to arrive. Let's give Caesarea 3 days which means it is probably now about 9 days to Pentecost. According to my reckoning.....we should add the 12 (phantom) days and subtract the 3 for Caesarea.

KJV[Acts 21:15-26] On to Jerusalem and his meeting with James the next day....and purification in the temple. 2 more days and Pentecost is one week away.

One of the things the Jews did prior to a special Sabbath was to purify themselves in the temple [John 11:55] and Paul is now doing just that.

KJV [Acts 21:27] And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,

These Jews from Asia were also there for Shavuot.... which had not yet arrived.....but was just around the corner.

When you read the literal Greek and discard much of the Main Stream Church's theology.....things begin to make sense.
 
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